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08-06-2011 , 08:17 PM
Reads: The BB is a nit. Although I've seen him bluff once before. The rest of the table is pretty loose pre, alot of limping.

Effective stacks: $160

There's a $5 straddle, couple of callers. I have KQ. Best hand I've gotten so far, and likely the best starting hand I'll have for the next few hours. I raise to $22 from the SB. Villain calls from the BB, two limpers call. Flop comes K84. I bet $60. Only villain calls in the BB. Turn is 7. I ship.

Sorry, 2nd best hand I've had since I sat down a few hours ago. I was dealt the A4o sometime pretty early in the session.

Last edited by yodachoda; 08-06-2011 at 08:22 PM.
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08-06-2011 , 08:28 PM
I prefer a bigger raise preflop, somewhere around $35-40.

As played, villain is a nit but you just have too much equity to do anything else than what you did.
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08-06-2011 , 08:42 PM
You are basically open shipping on this flop with no info and hoping none of the other 3 players have you beat...

i check flop, i dont mind free card, and i want some more info before i commit with this hand... playing oop sucks.... you can get the position back though if you check and BB bets... which he absolutely will on this board with made hands, and check everything lame. he plays striaght forward, as do the stations behind him, even more so in this situation, because of the board and its multiway, so definately check. dont protect the pot, protect your stack.

preflop, i think i just complete/fold if BB rasies... if players are loose passive, no one is going away for a raise, so i raise it up with big pairs, and keep the pot smaller with unpaired cards... after the flop come out, when i hit here as you did, then i take the stations to value town, with the straddle, it shouldnt be hard to get stacks in...

as played, if i bet sixty and a cold calling(preflop) nit calls 60 oop with players left to act, i know im beat, done with the hand unless Ah comes on turn, but nit likely has it in his hand along with K, no other reason for him to just flat here, unless your read is off.
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08-06-2011 , 08:48 PM
Really bad raise preflop. $22 isn't going to get anyone to fold, your effective stack is also 32bb. If the BB is really a nit I don't know why you're betting on the flop. If he will lead out with a good hand then you can just fold. Quit whining about your bad hands. That happens to everyone. Don't get impatient.
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08-07-2011 , 01:24 AM
35 pre everything else same villiqn could be flatting with Ah or any king. If villian www aggro I check turn and snap call
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08-07-2011 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by acescracked84
Really bad raise preflop. $22 isn't going to get anyone to fold, your effective stack is also 32bb. If the BB is really a nit I don't know why you're betting on the flop. If he will lead out with a good hand then you can just fold. Quit whining about your bad hands. That happens to everyone. Don't get impatient.
Yeah you can't get impatient and over play KQ because you're card dead. Sometimes you have to fold all night but if you hang in there you will get that spot and get the money. As played post flop is fine. As others mentioned $22 pre out of position is bad.
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08-07-2011 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by FreshMeat
You are basically open shipping on this flop with no info and hoping none of the other 3 players have you beat...

i check flop, i dont mind free card, and i want some more info before i commit with this hand... playing oop sucks.... you can get the position back though if you check and BB bets... which he absolutely will on this board with made hands, and check everything lame. he plays striaght forward, as do the stations behind him, even more so in this situation, because of the board and its multiway, so definately check. dont protect the pot, protect your stack.

preflop, i think i just complete/fold if BB rasies... if players are loose passive, no one is going away for a raise, so i raise it up with big pairs, and keep the pot smaller with unpaired cards... after the flop come out, when i hit here as you did, then i take the stations to value town, with the straddle, it shouldnt be hard to get stacks in...

as played, if i bet sixty and a cold calling(preflop) nit calls 60 oop with players left to act, i know im beat, done with the hand unless Ah comes on turn, but nit likely has it in his hand along with K, no other reason for him to just flat here, unless your read is off.
I agree with the complete/fold PF. I don't see how Raising from the SB with KQo can be a winning play even if you perceive a good chunk of passive dead money PF(especially with LP players). If you are going to raise, you have to treat it like a Squeeze and hammer it with a raise like the other guys said to 35+.
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08-07-2011 , 12:33 PM
Good comments so far on preflop. I guess just completing the SB is fine. Can I still commit postflop if I flop top pair? Then pot would be $25, I'd have $155 behind. Let's say I instead completed SB, got this same flop, led for $20, and faced a raise to $80. I can ship my stack here right?

I thought raising to more than $20 was unnecessary. By raising to $20, I keep dominated hands in that might fold to $30+ preflop. If I raise to $20 and get just one caller, I'm in a good situation to stack off if I flop my pair.
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08-07-2011 , 01:29 PM
I think I just ship otf here with the board this wet and our stack size

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Originally Posted by yodachoda
Good comments so far on preflop. I guess just completing the SB is fine. Can I still commit postflop if I flop top pair? Then pot would be $25, I'd have $155 behind. Let's say I instead completed SB, got this same flop, led for $20, and faced a raise to $80. I can ship my stack here right?

I thought raising to more than $20 was unnecessary. By raising to $20, I keep dominated hands in that might fold to $30+ preflop. If I raise to $20 and get just one caller, I'm in a good situation to stack off if I flop my pair.
in the limped pot scenario I fold to the raise. A pair + FD has much less equity in a limped pot on a monotone flop facing a raise when our flush draw is non-nut IMO.

I raise more pre because our hand does not play well multiway and especially oop
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