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09-27-2015 , 06:46 AM

Number1Hater

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Villan EP limps, 2 more limp, HERO in SB raise AQo to $20, villan calls, 1 limper folds, 1 limper calls.

Flop(~$62): A85r
Hero cbet $40, villan raise $100, limper folds, hero?

He has like $55 behind. Hero covers.

No reads on villan except he looks like Carter Verone. He bought in for full and chipped down, played a couple of pots before this hand. Probably his 5th hand. Not sure if reg or fish. Look like reg bc he dress well. Fish because of EP limp.

Do I just give him 88/55/A8/A5 here and fold, or stack off bc he can do this with worse Ax?

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09-27-2015 , 10:53 AM

Garick

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Readless, I fold to a raise on a board this dry. I don't see him raising over the PF raiser with less than TPTK when there are no semi-bluffs possible.

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09-27-2015 , 02:04 PM

NebDanger

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You say you have no reads but also assume he could do this with weaker Ax holdings. I think until I see proof that he could be trying to run you over I'm letting this go and believing I got out flopped.

I like the sizing preflop and the flop, but once he raises your bet on the flop it's time to let it go.

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09-28-2015 , 10:49 AM

SillyRabbit

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With an SPR of about 3 against this villain don't we have to get it in regardless of the fact that we feel beat here? Are we not committed? Couldn't villain have 76 in his range as well as AJ or A10?

I'm asking the people who are responding that this is always a fold.

Thx

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09-28-2015 , 11:10 AM

johnnyBuz

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Originally Posted by Number1Hater

Fish because of EP limp.

You should tell him this while you call and lose to his set.

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09-28-2015 , 11:19 AM

Garick

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With an SPR of about 3 against this villain don't we have to get it in regardless of the fact that we feel beat here?

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Originally Posted by mpethybridge

A low SPR is not Ed miller's permission to turn off your brain.

Also, Ed was talking about TPTK/Overpairs. Not TPGK.

On a board this dry, and since we're readless we lean towards an LLSNL-standard V, which is to sy loose-passive, what does he ever raise that we beat? There are no draws to be semi-bluffing, and a limp-caller is not turning TPWK or an underpair in to a bluff with others to act here basically ever.

Last edited by Garick; 09-28-2015 at 11:26 AM. Reason: what they not-turned off brain thinks about

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09-28-2015 , 11:24 AM

pokerarb

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If this went hu to the flop I end up stacking off here.

The fact he raises the flop with people behind implies monster strength so I'm folding

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09-28-2015 , 12:56 PM

Dopedupwalrus

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This is a spot where I could level myself. On a dry board who plays a set like this... Not me!! For exactly what's happening here, he's giving you a chance to get away. If he waits for the turn you are committed and he doubles up. However, read less... I give him the set and move on.

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09-28-2015 , 01:04 PM

DK Barrel

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$55 behind? Rip it in. As you pointed out there aren't a whole lot of better hands he can have. You're effectively getting 2.5:1 jamming here, he's going to be doing something silly at least that often.

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09-28-2015 , 02:04 PM

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iraisetoomuch

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What did he do in the couple of pots that he played before this one?
Was he passive post flop? Did he raise pre flop? Did he limp/call? What did he show down if he got to show down?
Is a full buy in $200 or $300? Losing $120 in 5 hands should be fairly noteworthy. Losing $20 is whatever, but should still give us at least a little bit of an indication about his play style.

Also, you cBet is too big on a board this dry.
$25 - $35 is better as you want to encourage people to call light with little to no equity in the hand.

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10-02-2015 , 03:15 PM

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Number1Hater

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i was pretty sure i would get a lot of 'bet/fold' answers. i agree its a fold overall, but i hate to fold vs unknowns..

anyways,results in spoiler

Spoiler:

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10-03-2015 , 07:10 PM

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Frenic

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His bet made no sense if he was a good player. Why didhe bet somuch with so little behind? What was he worried about? If he was good and had a good hand than he most likely let you hang your self. Also hard to put him on A rag AA or AK so set is the only hand that is ahead. He is probably putting you ona cb with air or hoping you have JJ-KK.

So its 110 to win 250 if you shove back, I am calling unless I have a history of him over defening or tbe stacks are alot deeper.

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10-03-2015 , 07:22 PM

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haha_TP

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I'm not folding to some short stack who is probably looking to flop an ace and go with it. Deeper, it depends on the read of my opponent.

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10-03-2015 , 08:45 PM

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wj94

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Low SPR toppest of pairs = all of my chips in plz

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10-03-2015 , 10:49 PM

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bodybuilder32

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Surprise....all the advice advocating a call coming in after the results posted....

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10-04-2015 , 12:18 AM

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wj94

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Originally Posted by bodybuilder32

Surprise....all the advice advocating a call coming in after the results posted....

Well if we raise to $20 pre with a hand that makes TPGK more than anything else and a $155 stack wants to put his money in on a dry ace high flop we probably shouldn't be folding. Otherwise we shouldn't raise to $20 pre. We are purposely making a large raise pre so we can get stacks in on favorable boards with top pair.

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