Hero just sat down. No info on opponents. Villain has $400. Hero has $140 with AQdd.

Two limpers

villain makes it $12.
Hero flats on hijack.
1 limper calls.

Flop Qh 10h 2d

Limper checks
Villain bets $26
Hero calls
limper folds

Turn: 4d

Villain shoves for our last $100
Hero ????

snap-fold or regular fold?

i'm def raising flop and calling shove with your stack on that flop. i'd porobably 3 bet to isolate pre too.

as played, on the turn its a snap call imo. hes all in seems strong but with your short stack any bet he makes is effectively putting you all in anyway since hes never going to B/F $60-70. i'd say the only hand he might not shove this turn thats in his range is the one that beats you, 1010. all his flush draws and bluffs are going to continue on this card with a shove as he thinks its the most likely to make you fold.

if you going to call the flop with your stack size, this is not a turn you should be folding ever imo.

cliffs: snap call and scoop vs KQ, QJ, or flush draw imo

I think this is a snap call. You have to think you're ahead here at least part of the time and you have a draw to the nuts. Since the pots $86-rake,m and you have only $100 behind, I think we're committed.

I'm interested what others think, I could be WAYYYYY off.

Get the monies in
2.1 dog vs Kk slightly worse vs AA. Freerolling vs aq with out other fd.

Also commitment should have been decided pre. Calling pre leaves Spr of ~4.7 do you feel comfortable getting it in for 70 bb? I do. Now we have nfd too, easy decision imo

if we're 2.1 dog vs AA and KK then why call if our calling odds are only 1.8:1? I feel like he has 1010/AA/KK too often here...

Bc there will be some AKss, aq, AA is def discounted with is holding blockers. Some stubborn jjs. Maybe a few combos of kj. I think we have enough equity but I need to run it

My equity calc isnt the best one out there but vs AA-TT, AQs/o, AKs, KJs

We have 40.3% equity. Take out a few of the combos and I still think we are there

Hate the "3Bet pre" advice given. AQ is a sexy hand that'll get you in loads of trouble. Note that its the single biggest bust-out hand on WPT by far. I've open folded it from EP several times and watched the hand play out and thanked my nitty self. I've also fell in love with it pre and chased it right to the felt. The call is fine, imo.

Otf, why no raise, though? We've got Top/Top and position. A raise here is a perfect time to get a soul-read and try to save some of your stack from the dreaded over-pair.

As played you've got ton of outs, I'd say a call isn't so bad.

I was thinking about raising pre and OTF. My thoughts for raising pre were 1) to get the Button, 2) value 3) isoing 4) *Sexiness*

Seriously, though, why is 3! pre bad? I'm a tad weak, and probably wouldn't have done it in the heat of the game, but looking at it cold I wonder.

seriously? high stakes mtt has nothing to do with playing cash. you really tally up the bust out hands on the wpt?

and your saying hes going to raise/fold the flop with TPTK and a shortstack, even a minraise on the flop is going to be committing

With those stack sizes, this is a snap call unless you have a read to the contrary. Average 1-2 players will make moves like this with ranges you absolutely crush.

I put his range on exactly 1010, AA, or KK. With that range it's safe to fold, correct?

I put in the stack vs his turn shove and he flipped 1010 to rake it in, even with the Q on the river.

Lol wot?

I just flat pre. 3b-ing an EP raiser with AQs is kinda sick b/c you're wasting a great hand. Especially readless - calling is great.

You lose to AA, KK, TT, 1 combo of QQ and weirdly played QT. Vs that range alone you're 25%. You need 36% roughly to call. If you include AQo and AQs you're 36%. That's with zero bluffs, zero fd's, and zero QK etc hands.

IMO your range is too tight because you have no reads. No way you can narrow it that much.

I'd just call, and if I lose take notes and reload.

Please don't fold.

3betting pre with no reads, should let your opponent know your not there to call off your chips. I would 3bet this almost always. As played, flop calling is bad imo with no reads. OTT its nothing but a call tp and the nut flush draw. You called pre, called flop you might as well call turn.

Why would you 3b AQs for image purposes? If you get shoved on, you presumably have to fold thus wasting AQs. It's actually a closer situation since we're only 70bb deep, so we're getting decent odds on a call depending on his range. But at 1/2 no one will ever play back at you lighter than AQ and we have no idea what his range is.

If he folds, your hand strength is irrelevant so you don't need AQs to do it. We don't know if this particular fish will raise/call OOP.

IMO if you want to image 3b, 3b A4s here and show if he folds (I would still fold though). With AQs, I call.

@pokerisfrustrating its not 3betting for image purposes. I myself hate calling with no reads, I hardly do it. Im the type of player to fold AQs early in a session with zero reads to a raise from ep.. Yes, I might get flamed but hear me out. I like to bet/fold alot of my hands with no reads because we clearly put are self in a bad spot postflop flopping TP. Hero flops top pair and does not know where he is at. A queen high flop and hero calls clearly shows how hard it is to play this hand. I didnt say calling was horrible but say I did call with no reads. Im looking for a flush draw, flush, 2pair or the nut straight. We have neither and those hands are hard to make. 30% of the time we are going to flop a pair and leave us in bad spots early in a session. In my eyes its -EV.

how do u put his range exactly where u have it. There is no where near enough info from what u described to be able to put this villian on that exact of a range especially at 1-2 nl. If your that sure I guess its a great fold but the board is so draw heavy I think im calling everytime with only 100 behind.

quit poker.

honestly

Only read was that his turn bet was INSTANT. He didn't hesitate at all. I just felt like he wasn't flipping a worse hand if called

if youre not calling AI on this turn, just fold the flop and move on.

it could be instant because he has a plan for his hand, not because he is strong

TPTK, gutter, and NFD?

Never folding.

I think the more important thing from this hand is to make sure to properly range villain.

The most telling thing is that on one hand you say there are no reads, and on the other you place his range squarely at TT or KK+.

The other important point is that it doesn't matter if he's "flipping a worse hand." You have many outs depending on what his actual holding is. Even if he's only playing this with QT, QQ, TT, KK+ or AQ you have acceptable calling odds. And you're readless, so there's no reason to be sure he never does this any lighter.

How is this a waste? We are working in the theoretical here.

Let's say this guy in fact has KK.

When he raises we assign a hand range. Let's give him a regs hand range. (Regs being the most likely opponent) Say 22+, ATs+, KTs+, AJo+, KQo, maybe JTo. Let's add in some scs, say 78s+.

If we 3b for value and to lower the SPR because AQ is likely to flop a TPGK hand if it flops at all, and TP hands like a low SRP. When he shoves, our theoretical is now much closer to reality. We can put him on QQ+, AK+. Ninety percent of the time, this is exactly what the shove means. Ten percent TT+.

Before we 3b, he had KK. After shoved he had KK. Now we fold a dominated hand. The 3b was not for info, but the info was a byproduct of our value raise.

Are we saying it's a waste because we might flop a straight draw or a diamond draw? We might, but by that logic we can call any raise with 79s as well.

I am not trying to be argumentative, and my logic might suck. There are probably good reasons for not re-raising, but I don't see this as one.

Can someone show me where I am wrong?