Primary villain in this hand is a middle-aged jamaican guy who is not folding anything suited pre to any reasonably sized raise from a non-nit, but he is playing pretty well post, despite the fact that he's not really thinking about what he's representing. He'll pretty much take a shot at the pot any time his opponents might be weak, but he won't go crazy without at least a decent draw. I.e. He'll make a pot sized bet ott, if you check behind flop after raising pre, but he's checking river with all of his bluffs if you call turn. He'll also fold tp hands to people who are obviously never bluffing in a certain spot. He's running super hot over the past hour or two and has almost ran his stack up to 1k.

Hero is a young preppy-looking white guy who is probably viewed as weak-tight post by v, since I've check/folded a lot of flops recently in multi-way pots after making huge raises pre. V has told me that he thinks I'm folding too often on the flop. None of my large bluffs have been shown down, though I did snap-call villain with Q-high otr much earlier in the day and lost to a better Q-high.

Eff stacks are (370)

A loose villain limps on the button, main villain limps the small blind, and I make it 20 with KsTs in the BB, both villains call.

Flop (60): Kc6s3s
Main villain makes it 50, and whispers to me to me "Just fold, I want his money."

What's your plan?

"Thinking whale" has to be the biggest oxymoron I've heard in a while... I'm definitely raising the flop here to $150 or so and if called, shipping the turn. Our hand has good equity even against a set; and it's possible we can get V to fold a slightly better Kx(like KJ-KQ) considering our nitty image.

Whisper back "me too" and pop it up to $135.

Raise to 130

Shove turn

Not a fan of the 10x pre from the BB with a RIO hand. As played, make it at least $150 to put maximum pressure on villains when your equity is highest.

I don't think I have a rio hand since both villains in this hand are raising KJ+ pre, and the one I have position on will call my raise with T2s.

Is this a standard raise from the bb?

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I had been using this sizing if one of the two villains in this hand limped, which was frequently. I went smaller if they folded.

Couldn't agree more and I think pf looks good given reads.

Regarding flop play I would just call. You mentioned before that the villain can find folds with top pair type hands when he's raised so no need to blow him off a weaker hand. With your flush draw you don't really mind giving cheap cards and I think it'll be worth it to let him keep firing with worse hands.

Pre I don't like, but flop is a dream for you, so all sins are forgiven.
Just calling would be interesting if you thought button might raise the bet, but since we can't count on him to bet our hand for us, I think raise is better. Bc button might fold no mater what. If we had any sense he was coming along, flatting gets more interesting bc his call builds the pot.
If you flat, with these stacks, pot isn't going to grow quickly enough HU to easily play for stacks. If you raise here and get called, you can shove turn or get stacks in very easily by river. And, given your read on V, we're likely to have both the best hand and the best draw here.
Even a min raise to 100 should be fine. His ego won't let him fold if you CIB and that's not such big sizing that button will auto fold.
Raise flop, ship river sounds like a good plan.
Top pair, medium kicker, second nut flush draw -- your hand is pretty strong now against his range and pretty strong if you turn flush. But it ain't the nuts. Raising and taking this down OTF wouldn't be a terrible result.

I feel like he has a set here. The preflop action of him just limping then calling a big raise reads of pk pair. And how many times have you been chummy with your neighbor and they clue you in to them having a monster. I feel like that's whats going on here. Most donk bets are weak, but not in a bloated pot in first position telling you he has it, especially when you've shown a lot of strength, although your sizing might suggest you just want to take the pot down.

Also your hand has good multiway value, so maybe don't raise pre there...

If you feel you are going with your hand, AND you don't feel you have FE, I suggest playing as you are committed, but not raising. Make sure the board doesn't pair and keep going.

If you feel like you truly do have FE, then a raise with the intentions of getting it in is fine.

Masta--

Discussions of PFR sizes are generally pointless unless it's obviously too small. Raising to 20 here seems fine.

I don't understand the point of this hand history. You obviously have a ton of equity and the ranges aren't really meaningfully defined. Use this spot to balance your OTF plays.

i don't think i agree, why are we worrying about balance and how are you playing this?

I posted this hand because I think I played it poorly. I raised to 150, and both villains folded. I wanted to see if anyone thought that this might be a call here or if I'm being results oriented. I think that when I raise V is folding all of the hands that I have the best equity against, and I'm not really getting anything better to fold given preflop.

A raise would be fine if you're also raising with JJ here.

If you only raise OTF with TP or megadraws or better, then your range is incredibly unbalanced, and this is a good spot to smooth with TP.

Are you saying that there are not enough bluffs in my flop raising range if I'm raising KsTs here? I think that's probably accurate, but I have every suited ace and every suited broadway hand here, and I'm not raising KQ without a flush draw, so I don't think I'm "incredibly" unbalanced.

Why? If a raise is too large or a raise is not the correct play then discussing it is pointless?

So what if you are unbalanced? LMAO @ raising JJ on this flop.

it's def not pointless, the size of the raise determines the SPR on the flop, which has a big impact on how the hand will be played. i'm not sure what he's getting at.

if you are raising JJ on this flop (which i don't understand), doing it for balance is prob the worst reason

in any case i'd like to hear the justification for both of his points

I think I flat given your read that he will try and take advantage of weakness but will fold to strength from nits - which he perceives you as. Timidly toss out a call and plan on him bombing the turn. There are only 3 cards we don't want to see on the turn so I'm not trying to let him off the hook on the flop.