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06-04-2012 , 02:34 PM
Hero has been playing TAG whole session... been at table for 4 hours, Villain has been on table for 3 hours, has also been playing TAG, haven't seen him get out of line. Table has been loose passive most of the night, a lot of limped pots. Overall easy table, only player I don't want to get into a pot with is Villain who is pretty solid, who has hero called with Ace high against a missed flush/straight board and was right. Effective stacks are $300

Hero is in the BB with AA

Villain limps UTG+2, CO limps, Button Limps. I raise to $15. Villain calls, Button Calls.

Flop: 248

Hero bets $30, Villain Calls, Button Calls.

Turn 10 ($136)

Hero Bets $85, Villain Calls

River A ($306)

Hero checks, Villain goes all-in... my remaining $170 to call

Hero?

Don't forget we have A here

edit: Villain is young Asian male, early 20's

Last edited by crazykid; 06-04-2012 at 02:58 PM.
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06-04-2012 , 02:40 PM
snap
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06-04-2012 , 02:41 PM
Snappy dap dap, poo he had a flush
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06-04-2012 , 02:54 PM
snap fold.

j/k.

snap call. I expect to drag the pot almost always. No one slowplays a non-nut flush on 2 streets. If he did, reload.
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06-04-2012 , 03:20 PM
Top set OTR is kind of a misleading thread title. It should be called face-up overpair out of position on a monochrome board against somebody we ostensibly don't want to play a big pot with. You have to call because of all the bluffs you put into his range by building a pot and then begging him to take it away. What was your plan for the river when he flatted the turn?
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06-04-2012 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by atenesq
Top set OTR is kind of a misleading thread title. It should be called face-up overpair out of position on a monochrome board against somebody we ostensibly don't want to play a big pot with. You have to call because of all the bluffs you put into his range by building a pot and then begging him to take it away. What was your plan for the river when he flatted the turn?
Building a big pot OOP with one pair is different when it is AA on a super low monochrome board with nut outs. Are you suggesting hero should have controlled the pot?
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06-04-2012 , 03:40 PM
why didnt we valuebet the river here. im guessing u called and he had a flush but thats playing the results. villain could have smaller sets all two pair combos. 99 JJ. you lose a lot of value checking
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06-04-2012 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by atenesq
Top set OTR is kind of a misleading thread title. It should be called face-up overpair out of position on a monochrome board against somebody we ostensibly don't want to play a big pot with. You have to call because of all the bluffs you put into his range by building a pot and then begging him to take it away. What was your plan for the river when he flatted the turn?
what the **** are you talking about
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06-04-2012 , 04:04 PM
The way the hand was played i would snap call.
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06-04-2012 , 04:16 PM
Bet river
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06-04-2012 , 04:45 PM
check the river for max value because of your read on asian's (will always bluff when they can't win). obv snap call though ldo
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06-04-2012 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pacmandfk
why didnt we valuebet the river here. im guessing u called and he had a flush but thats playing the results. villain could have smaller sets all two pair combos. 99 JJ. you lose a lot of value checking
i checked river because i figured villain would check behind if he missed his draw, i doubt he would call turn with a lone K unless he planned to bluff river if no club came...

obviously i have the nut draw, so that rules out him having the nut flush or pairing the Ace with a missed NFD.... villains that usually go all in have the nuts or are bluffing imo... so my thought process on the river was he put me on exactly what i had, overpair with the club and put me in a tough decision... either he missed clubs or he has clubs

also, why would he slowplay a flush OTT? wouldn't most villains raise the turn with a flush? another club would kill his action if he did have the flush, so it felt like a bluff... but given villains image... didn't seem like a spot he would all in bluff river

i doubt villain would take this line with a set either...

more thoughts?
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06-04-2012 , 06:15 PM
if he had a flush pretty much any flush including the Kcxc flush he played it poorly and got lucky that you hit a hand that could pay. i agree that most players will be raising their flush by the turn at least. hands not that difficult just unfortunate if you lost
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06-04-2012 , 10:33 PM
up
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06-04-2012 , 11:37 PM
You say villian is playing TAG and hasn't gotten out of line. While that's not the greatest read, it's enough to tell us something about is UTG+2 limping range, which IMO is mostly small pairs, and some suited connectors. What hands have you seen him limp in EP?

I'd say 95+% of the 1/2 playing population would raise a flopped flush somewhere along the way, and he has all lower sets in his range, with 10s heavily discounted due to his limp, so not only would I call this, I would have shoved the river myself since we only have a little over a half PSB left and I think his range is more flopped sets than flushes. Plus, you said he can hero call, so give him a chance to be a hero.
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06-04-2012 , 11:40 PM
Nice betsizing on flop and turn but please shove river, as played cawl.
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06-05-2012 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by slick mikey 87
You say villian is playing TAG and hasn't gotten out of line. While that's not the greatest read, it's enough to tell us something about is UTG+2 limping range, which IMO is mostly small pairs, and some suited connectors. What hands have you seen him limp in EP?

I'd say 95+% of the 1/2 playing population would raise a flopped flush somewhere along the way, and he has all lower sets in his range, with 10s heavily discounted due to his limp, so not only would I call this, I would have shoved the river myself since we only have a little over a half PSB left and I think his range is more flopped sets than flushes. Plus, you said he can hero call, so give him a chance to be a hero.
i'm leaning towards suited connectors for a flopped flush... i don't think he would all in bluff...

but it also looks more like a small pair looking to set mine vs a bigger pair since he called 15 PF

i also think he put me on exactly the hand that i have... overpair with the nut draw
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