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10-20-2022 , 12:55 AM
Hero ($500) - Winning TAG image. Showed down some big hands.
V1 ($420) - Loose player. Calls a lot of pre-flop raises. Isn't shy about putting money in post flop as bettor or caller. He was caught bluffing the river once; so he has a non-zero bluff frequency.

Played 1 hand with hero. In straddled pot, Hero raised to $20 pre with QQ. V1 called in small blind. V2 called in BB.
V1 checked J84 rainbow flop. V2 bet $5. Hero raised to $50. V1 called $50. V2 went all-in for $200. Hero & V1 folded.
V1 showed a J and said he had AJ. V2 showed a set of 4s. Hero said he folded QQ but didn't show.

The hand:
Button straddle
Hero raises to $17 with A♠️Q♦️ from UTG
V1 calls from MP.
V2 calls from LP
V3 calls from button.
V4 calls from SB

Flop ($77):
A♦️T♦️8♣️
SB checks
Hero bets $50
V1 calls
Everyone else folds

Turn ($177)
3 ♦️
Hero?? Plan for the rest of the hand?

Last edited by curdanol; 10-20-2022 at 01:11 AM.
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10-20-2022 , 01:03 AM
Raise
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10-20-2022 , 01:32 AM
check-call turn. If turn check-check, lead at almost every river (including any ♦️).
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10-20-2022 , 04:26 AM
You're playing with fire but have the advantage here. You want to bet this and then try to read your opponent if he reraises you.. I'd typically bet around 80 here. you need a read to fold. in addition to top pair you have a lot of outs against potential hands , you even have a draw to the stone cold nuts in Kd. Good time to bet.

villain seems weak so he likely won't reraise you. If he does you need to decide if you think he has 88 or TT or AT.
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10-20-2022 , 09:29 AM
I wouldn't think of this spot as you being 200bb deep. Villain only has 100 straddles, and the pot is really bloated due to the larger pre-flop raise and the many callers. SPR is just over 5 which is pretty shallow.

Think I agree with tipperdog. I would check call this turn and value bet river if the turn checks through. It's an ugly spot if you call turn and he bets again on a brick river. Probably fold? Don't think he would value bet worse, and there aren't a ton of bluffs, esp. with you holding a queen to block QJ.
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10-20-2022 , 10:16 AM
Meh, I'm betting the turn here. We block a lot of V's logical FDs (KdQd, QdJd, Qd9d), the board blocks the JdTd/Td/9d and we have a Q blocker to the gutshot. V shouldn't smooth-call this flop with his sets or even two-pair because the board is too wet.

Yes it would suck to get raised, but we would have re-draw. Meanwhile, what river do we really want to see here? A diamond kills the action, a broadway (other than Ace) might make V's hand and a 7/6 might make his straight.

I would rather bet and extract value now from AJ/A9s and weaker Aces while denying equity to his gutters/SDs.
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10-20-2022 , 11:24 AM
Hero checks turn with the intention of calling, but.......villain shoves.
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10-20-2022 , 12:20 PM
fold now, I was gonna say check/evaluate his sizing but this is at a min. AK with the king of diamonds.
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10-20-2022 , 12:44 PM
You’re getting 1:2 on your call right? Trivial fold I think.

But WP up to now.
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10-20-2022 , 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by curdanol
Hero checks turn with the intention of calling, but.......villain shoves.
I think you find a call here. Here's what we know:

1. You need about 40% equity to make this call.
2. It's very, very unlikely that you're drawing dead. That's because: a) the board is so blocked, he could only have you dead vs. KJd. Even a loose player isn't cold calling a raise with K9d or worse from MP; and b) if he has exactly KJd, he should be betting less to keep you in the hand.
3. Hands he might play this way include:
a) lots of flushes like suited connectors and one gappers. You are drawing live against these hands but aren't getting close the right price (76d; 56d, etc);
b) made hands that are better than yours but you're drawing live against, again without the right odds (ATs, A8s, 88);
c) Hands that he might think are ahead or drawing live, but are in fact crushed (AxJd); and
d) Hands that are drawing live but thin (KQo; KQs; QJs; 97s).

My first instinct was call; and then I played around on equilab and couldn't construct a realistic range that didn't give you at least 40% (most combos had you at 50-60) vs. a non-nit opponent. So, call & pray.
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10-20-2022 , 05:12 PM
Seems like he played the first hand somewhat passively by call-folding tptk flop plus he chose not to 3bet aj oop, but given what you said about him being loose you're going to be ahead a lot of the time here and having a diamond is relevant. Regarding the flop sizing I get that its in to 4 other so you want to size up but with A on a board in 1/2 I feel like somewhere around $31 gets the same folds and can induce draws to bluff occasionally, and also puts you in a more comfortable position on the turn. If you check here you are pretty much allowing him to value own you and it looks extremely weak, if you were 100bb deep the decision is obviously much easier but I'd probably bet and fold to a raise and then reevaluate river, you block KQd, ak, and a few more a loose player would have here. He is going to have a ton of weak aces, straight draws, mp + fd, etc etc. You're only dead to kxd, and he is probably only shoving on hands that you are behind. I feel like check-calling is a long term losing play here and the only reason you can justify it is having the qd
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10-20-2022 , 10:03 PM
I never see massive overbet jams with flushes when the flush card hits the turn in my game. This would be a lot easier call if I had played with this player a decent amount and not reading a HH on the internet but my first instinct is that he has KTx or QxJ.

Like others are saying I would have bet folded turn since checking just makes it look like you're giving up which makes the jam more suspicious.

Last edited by AAJTo; 10-20-2022 at 10:12 PM.
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10-20-2022 , 10:26 PM
Im betting turn for fat value but sizes are a bit awkward. Probably betting 100 and jamming blank rivers if called ott. Once you check and he jams it sucks. I probably tank a lot and give him the eye. One whiff of weakness or nervousness and I toss in a chip.
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