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09-23-2013 , 06:28 PM
1/2 Borgata 3 am

Hero - 500 button -should be viewed as pretty tight, even though I'm loosing. Only hand shown down was when I 3 bet a $7 open to 30 and got 3 callers. Raise an
A 9 8 r flop and jam an A turn for 200 more and loose with Ak to the drunk chicks A 7 off when a 7 came on the river.

Villain 1 700 mp 2 -just spastic and all around terrible,cant really figure out what he's trying to do just clicking buttons and getting lucky.

Villain 2 700ish. Co -Seems pretty solid not really getting out of line.

Hand
3 limps to me over limp button with J9 ss,6 ways to flop

Flop Jd 9d 2h ($12)

Action checks to me I bet 15, old man in bb calls, villain 1 calls and also villain 2.

Turn A s (72)

Old man checks villain 1 bets 40, villain 2 calls. What's our play here and why

I'm pretty sure villain 2 is on a flush draw can't really see him calling with a 1 pair type hand especially with me still to act, and I don't really think he would be trying to trap or slow play anything with the board so wet and 3 players left in the pot

Villain 1 not really sure what kinds of hand he takes this line with I feel like he would lead the flop with a big jack and he probably check raises flop with his sets which can really only be 22 since I have a jack and a 9. So the only hand I can think he plays like this would be but flush draws that make a pair on the turn ?

I want to see what others think first then I'll say what I did and how it played out
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09-23-2013 , 08:49 PM
the problem w/these several-handed limped pots are that people can play garbage and hit...so please don't go broke in these situations. Maybe raise to $12 pf from the button in the future to thin the herd a bit (and pot build)?

so...as played, I figure V1 probably has Ax as that card seems to have woken up his betting in this hand. At $1/2, people love to limp with these hands especially when they're sooted. The question is does he now have 2 pair ott (which beats us obv)?

Do we need to worry about old man in the BB? you don't have any info about him.

You're getting pretty good pot odds here to call so I'd just call ott and would fold to any re-raise jam. Definitely not raising w/out a better idea of what V1 has. I agree that V2 could very well have a flush draw so it's fold time if a hits the otr and V2 bets at it.
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09-23-2013 , 09:18 PM
villain 1 c/c flop and leads turn. that looks pretty strong to me. a turned 2pair should be a big part of his range.

villain 2 shouldnt be ahead of you here, i think you're read that hes on a flush draw is accurate since he likely raises flop or turn on this bet board with a monster.

if vil1 is leading weaker hands or doesnt understand the value of hands, id call and evaluate river. if vil1 is more passive, id fold. im not sure vil1 bluffs here into 3 other players who all showed interest in the pot on the flop.
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09-23-2013 , 10:24 PM
Standard 1/2 donk on this board is always going to be an Ace. Could be a Ace with a fd. Really doesn't matter villains won't fold a pair right here. Raise it to 120$ and call a shove. His shove range will always be Ace plus fd. Lines and ranges tell me you block so many better hands. That I wouldn't worry about a better 2 pair or a set here.
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09-23-2013 , 10:55 PM
Fwiw you should be raising hands like this otb this deep preflop. You can win the hand so many ways with that magic disk
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09-24-2013 , 12:02 PM
given your read on V1, I think this is a raise on the turn. I'd make it $150. Get your value now and charge the flush draw to see a river. I'm probably checing back most rivers.
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09-24-2013 , 02:18 PM
So when action got back to me I really thought villain 1 should just have an ace here and mostly Axdd because I really can't see how he has just a naked ace, and I'm almost sure villain 2 has a flush draw.

I make it $115, old man in Sb folds, villain 1 snap calls and puts the chips in the pot like f it if I'm beat I'm beat, and I'm not thrilled about it because I feel like its some kind of made hand and I don't think he's gonna act that way with just 1 pair unless he's just a moron and some how limped Ak floated the flop and thinks its the nuts when he hits the ace.
Villain 2 folds pretty quickly.

River 10 d

And villain 1 bets 15 ?
I don't think he makes a bet like this with a flush, but I don't think he has any intentions of folding if I move in on him either.
So I unhappily call and he shows up with A2 off .
But my main question is should I be raising the turn, I really don't like giving a cheap river to the draws, and I should be ahead of both villains ranges here, but when ever these guys try to take the lead like that, it seems like its always some weird hand that's stronger than 1 pair no matter go little sense it makes
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09-24-2013 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tileman630
So when action got back to me I really thought villain 1 should just have an ace here and mostly Axdd because I really can't see how he has just a naked ace, and I'm almost sure villain 2 has a flush draw.

I make it $115, old man in Sb folds, villain 1 snap calls and puts the chips in the pot like f it if I'm beat I'm beat, and I'm not thrilled about it because I feel like its some kind of made hand and I don't think he's gonna act that way with just 1 pair unless he's just a moron and some how limped Ak floated the flop and thinks its the nuts when he hits the ace.
Villain 2 folds pretty quickly.

River 10 d

And villain 1 bets 15 ?
I don't think he makes a bet like this with a flush, but I don't think he has any intentions of folding if I move in on him either.
So I unhappily call and he shows up with A2 off .
But my main question is should I be raising the turn, I really don't like giving a cheap river to the draws, and I should be ahead of both villains ranges here, but when ever these guys try to take the lead like that, it seems like its always some weird hand that's stronger than 1 pair no matter go little sense it makes
apparently $115 is enough to push the draw out

the flush draw folded, despite 4:1 odds + 2 players to the river to value bet.
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