1/2 NL

Effective stacks +/- $100

New to the table, trying to kill about 30mins before daily tourney. Trying not to play much, weird spot comes up.

Villain, is older maybe 50s, angry looking, up about $400. Hasn't played many hands. Not much of a read.

A couple of middle position limpers.

Hero on Button with K10cc - Raise to $10.
SB Calls
BB Calls

2 limpers call

Flop - JcQc5x

Checks to hero - Bet $20

SB Calls, everyone else folds.

Turn 2x

BB Fires $100

Hero has about $65 back to call all-in.

Thinking BB has an easy AJ, AQ, maybe even 9J or KQ type hand. We are most likely beat at this point but have a million outs. Don't think villain is doing this as a bluff.

Easy Call all-in? Fold?

If we're not trying to get into weird spots why are we raising a little over 10% of our stack in a pot with multiple limpers if we intend on folding one of the best possible flops for our hand?

I like overbetting all in on the flop.

As played Snap Call.

I don't get betting 40% of the pot here. I'd rather bet more or check/raise all-in.

Shipping the flop isn't bad.

Thanks, yeah in hindsight, I would of even liked a 3/4th to pot size bet on the flop, all -in would be fine too, since we would pot committed, regardless. Pretty weak bet by me.

Shove flop.

Call turn, as played.

Hit one of your 174 outs on the river.

Poker stove (kinda lol ranges but just to get an idea)

Hand 0: 34.574% 34.57% 00.00% 715 0.00 { KcTc }
Hand 1: 65.426% 65.43% 00.00% 1353 0.00 { 55, 22, AQs, KQs, QTs+, Q5s, AKo, KQo, QTo+ }

Basically it's a push in terms of EV, but it is slightly +EV

But more importantly, you need to bet more on the flop so that you are priced in on further streets. Shoving isn't that bad either in this spot. I'm assuming you bet $20 so you had enough behind on the turn but in this case I don't think that's the right play.

Idk your BR limitations or play style, but I don't like playing short stacked, and this hand becomes easier to play with a full BI

So in similar situations where we flop the world, or a monster draw or a strong set, etc. Are we generally trying to just get all in on the flop in those scenarios, given our SPR?

Yeah I felt it was about 50/50 leaning towards a shove for fold equity. As far as BR, I just bought in light, with the intentions of playing a tourney in a few minutes.

Generally that would be a snap call 99% of the time, I just didn't want to dust off $70 on a draw, trying to kill time.

I like the line of shoving that everyone is giving.

On the river, this is a pretty simple calculation: You have 15 outs (assuming he doesn't have a set, but let's cancel that with the possibility that he also missed a draw). That gives you about 30% equity, 2-1 odds. There's $190 in the pot, so your "break even" bet is about $85. You only have $65 left, so call.

Isn't it actually easier to play this specific hand short? He can't shove $190 into $50 on the flop. And if he PSBs it on the flop and still has $140 behind, then he is possibly making an -EV call/shove on the turn.

Just wondering...

Yeah, your flop bet of 20 into a 50 pot with 5 players really got you in trouble here. Truth is, you say you have a lot of outs, but you really have no idea how many are good. A PSB or bigger OTF would have allowed you to guesstimate outs a bit better here. I would probably count the Kings as 1 out, the flush outs as about 4-5, and all the str8 outs, for a total of 11-12.

I ship, of course, but I'm not loving it. If he has Ax we are still behind and are down to 1 flush out. I think mostly we go to our tournament in a bad frame of mind here.

Thanks for the replies everybody, I think this is my first hand posting in LLSNL. This is a golden well. I will try to post more hands, and also offer my insight on other threads in here. Thanks again!

Yeah, you really might wanna look real close at how you are counting outs in the future.

Yeah, you're right, mathematically it's easier

A little off topic, but does anyone here know how to run PokerStove on a Mac, I was using Wine, but after the latest update it isn't working any more.

I use http://propokertools.com/simulations on the Mac.

Awesome, thanks!

I think this basically comes down to how much u care about 65 bucks,
u prob have a ton of outs, just ship it