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11-18-2012 , 11:58 PM
Playing $1/2 at Delaware Park. I only sat down with $200 in front of me and my stack is about that much however I cover most of the table except a couple guys on my right. The table is very friendly for the most part, a bunch of recreational players having fun.

Everyone knows me as a dealer at another local room. I have only played a couple hands, the most notable was when an old guy directly to my right raised Pre UTG to $16 and I saw two black Aces. With the whole table to act after me, I three-bet to $50 and everyone folded, including the old guy who showed his Jacks. Since he showed, I showed my Aces. Its the only hand I showed at all.

I feel I can be very nitty but I don't mind playing a larger range of hands in position if I feel I can outplay (or outflop) others especially at typically passive $1/2 games.

Youngish guy with headphones in middle position who isn't very talkative raises to $10. Pretty standard raise here and this guy always opens with a raise and plays a bunch of hands so his range is pretty big.

I look down and see T8 and to me it was a pretty easy call. I will definitely have position on the guy, probably position on everyone, and given the loose passive play at the table, I anticipate at least one or more other callers.

(I expect some people will say "Fold Preflop." If that's how you feel, let me know. I am open to correction here but my experience tells me that this is the perfect kind of hand to play in position even with a PF raiser.)

I call and then someone in the blinds goes all-in for $35 total. He is a nice guy but isn't very good, limping in and folding to PF raises with a pittance of a stack. I think he has something at the high end of his range but not necessarily a monster. Regardless, he's all-in.

It folds around to the original raiser who thinks about it for a very long time before finally, seemingly reluctantly, puts in the $25 call. Then it comes to me where I need to call $25 more into a pot of around $90 - getting a little better than 3˝ to 1.

Headphones could have been Hollywooding with a monster hoping to entice me into the hand, or maybe he is legitimately weak. If it's the former, I might be facing a large bet on the flop. If it's the latter, I don't think he will bet into me with a dry sidepot unless he hits his hand.

The thought of getting that price and getting to see free cards the whole way makes it enticing... The thought of putting $25 more bucks - 1/8th of my starting stack - in when I am almost assuredly behind one of not both players, however, makes me not want to call.

It seems a case could be made either way... So, make a case either way!
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11-19-2012 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by NYCNative
Playing $1/2 at Delaware Park. I only sat down with $200 in front of me and my stack is about that much however I cover most of the table except a couple guys on my right. The table is very friendly for the most part, a bunch of recreational players having fun.

Everyone knows me as a dealer at another local room. I have only played a couple hands, the most notable was when an old guy directly to my right raised Pre UTG to $16 and I saw two black Aces. With the whole table to act after me, I three-bet to $50 and everyone folded, including the old guy who showed his Jacks. Since he showed, I showed my Aces. Its the only hand I showed at all.

I feel I can be very nitty but I don't mind playing a larger range of hands in position if I feel I can outplay (or outflop) others especially at typically passive $1/2 games.

Youngish guy with headphones in middle position who isn't very talkative raises to $10. Pretty standard raise here and this guy always opens with a raise and plays a bunch of hands so his range is pretty big.

I look down and see T8 and to me it was a pretty easy call. I will definitely have position on the guy, probably position on everyone, and given the loose passive play at the table, I anticipate at least one or more other callers.

(I expect some people will say "Fold Preflop." If that's how you feel, let me know. I am open to correction here but my experience tells me that this is the perfect kind of hand to play in position even with a PF raiser.)

I call and then someone in the blinds goes all-in for $35 total. He is a nice guy but isn't very good, limping in and folding to PF raises with a pittance of a stack. I think he has something at the high end of his range but not necessarily a monster. Regardless, he's all-in.

It folds around to the original raiser who thinks about it for a very long time before finally, seemingly reluctantly, puts in the $25 call. Then it comes to me where I need to call $25 more into a pot of around $90 - getting a little better than 3˝ to 1.

Headphones could have been Hollywooding with a monster hoping to entice me into the hand, or maybe he is legitimately weak. If it's the former, I might be facing a large bet on the flop. If it's the latter, I don't think he will bet into me with a dry sidepot unless he hits his hand.

The thought of getting that price and getting to see free cards the whole way makes it enticing... The thought of putting $25 more bucks - 1/8th of my starting stack - in when I am almost assuredly behind one of not both players, however, makes me not want to call.

It seems a case could be made either way... So, make a case either way!
What were effective stack sizes? I would usually call if you were both at least 100 bb. The allin guy will usually keep the open raiser honest. If he can squeeze post i would just fold. Otherwise it becomes difficult to know where youre at. You have position after all.
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11-19-2012 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by yummyhumanbrains
What were effective stack sizes? I would usually call if you were both at least 100 bb. The allin guy will usually keep the open raiser honest. If he can squeeze post i would just fold. Otherwise it becomes difficult to know where youre at. You have position after all.
I said I had $200 at the start of the hand. Headphones has me covered.
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11-19-2012 , 12:22 AM
call

youre getting 3.2:1 (need 24% equity) and if youre only against AA you have 21% and obv their ranges are going to be much wider than that
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11-19-2012 , 12:23 AM
I am calling the ten IP against This type of player...As far as the raise to 35 I would be on the fence about it...Probably leaning towards a call if I feel like I have an edge on the villian and giving the description of the all in...You already have about 30% of the bet out there, your getting decent odds on a call, your probably 30% to win the main pot vs these 3 players ranges preflop, and probably more like 50% to win the side pot...Im thinking youngish guy has a 22-99, maybe some broadway cards...Maybe Im just a spewy bad player though lol
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11-19-2012 , 12:28 AM
To you can't call the ten then fold to 25 more after original raiser calls. Call and hope to bink flop if we hit a pair and checked to bet. If he leads and we miss fold obv. It's a little more tricky when we hit a tp kind of hand and he bets. Sizing depends on whether we continue.
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11-19-2012 , 01:19 AM
If the MP raiser is a nit I might call with 10-8s for a chance to crack his AA. But with a wide ranging player why not raise PF to $20 and take it down with a flop cbet (when he wiffs, ldo)? I don't do this a lot but occasionally if I have a really tight image due to crap cards, there is no one else in the pot and the guy raising is loose like you described I will. They almost always assume I have a big hand and fold to the cbet while muttering about my AA. Obviously the all in raiser gets in the way but you'd have an easy call if it is only $10. Anyway, just an idea. I don't do this very often, just when things line up perfectly. Small sample too.
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11-19-2012 , 03:06 PM
Shorties behind always muck up the works in these spots but yeah once I call the 10 I am calling the $25. Problem is this pot could get big quick if headphones hits the flop and wants to iso the all in. Leaving us in chasing mode if we gcatch our draws on the flop. And we are not really going to semibluff headphones if checked to on a good drawing flop with shorti all in so we are very much limited to just hitting the flop. I love suited gappers but much of their value is predicated on doing some other things when we don't hit em as hard as we wished. In this spot we are somewhat handicapped regarding those "other things".

FWIW I am also occasionally 3 betting headphones with that hand in that spot if he is opening light. We can rep AK and a lot of good cbetting flops for an AK that wiffs smack our range pretty well.

Last edited by cAmmAndo; 11-19-2012 at 03:12 PM.
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11-19-2012 , 06:02 PM
One piece of information missing from the OP is his absolute position at the table. While I don't mind a coldcall from the BTN (or possibly the CO if the BTN is very nitty), I wouldn't coldcall with T8s from the HJ or late MP.

As played, I would probably (but unhappily) call the extra $25.
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