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1/2 Spewing with 77? 1/2 Spewing with 77?

01-04-2016 , 03:57 PM
Tightish player opens to $11 UTG with $130 behind, two callers, Hero calls BTN with 77, bb calls.

Flop($49): AK6 checks to Hero who bets $27, UTG is only caller.

Turn($103): J UTG checks, Hero checks.

River($103): 3 UTG checks, Hero goes all in.
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01-04-2016 , 04:23 PM
who knows this particular hand. but if you play like this regularly look for a job.

plus your river bet screams bluff.
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01-04-2016 , 04:49 PM
Pure spew. You tried to set mine and missed. C/f. Don't bet into 3 players with third pair.

The river changes nothing. Almost anything villain calls the flop with, he'll call the river. A tight player raising UTG, then calling the flop with 2 players to act beats 77. Spaz bluff with fourth pair.
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01-04-2016 , 04:55 PM
yeah, don't quit your day job OP.

a tight guy raises UTG then check/calls the flop with 4 people in the hand? There are red flags going up all over the place.

Even if you come back with the results saying he folded, it's still spew. results don't matter.
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01-04-2016 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
it's still spew. results don't matter.
+1
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01-04-2016 , 06:45 PM
depending on stacks/player type, the river may not be horrible. the flop play is pure spew.
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01-04-2016 , 06:50 PM
Spew
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01-04-2016 , 06:56 PM
Not a great play mate, your hand literally makes zero sense.

You shove for 100 into a pot of $80?
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01-04-2016 , 06:57 PM
Pre: I'm not super excited to set mine but think I'm getting the right price plus I have absolute position and great relative position.

Flop: UTG should continue with his strong aces so once he checks I'm putting him on 88-QQ, KQ, slow played AA/KK/AK, and maybe raggedy suited aces and suited broadways. If anyone else has a strong ace I expect to see a bet from them. After calling flop, UTG still has the nutted part of his range along with weak aces, KQ, stubborn QQ/JJ, and suited broadways that have a gutter + bdfd.

Turn: I check back because the J gives UTG an even wider nutted range and adds a ton of equity to the rest of his range.

River: Since I showed disinterest on the turn, I expect UTG to bet most of his nutted range here. Once he checks, his range has a small portion of nutted hands but consists mainly of hands capped at top pair weak kicker. I feel like he might call a reasonable bet with these hands out of frustration or curiosity, especially after I showed weakness on the turn. However, I don't think he is able to call a pot sized shove since it puts him to a decision for all of his chips and also carries a hefty absolute sizing that he isn't used to calling with TPWK or worse.
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01-04-2016 , 07:09 PM
So...you shoved and Villain snapped with AA?
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01-04-2016 , 07:15 PM
What does your turn over bet shoving range rep?

I doubt highly you are doing this for value, as you would just bet the turn so the SPR is smaller OTR.
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01-04-2016 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Zenith EV
Pre: I'm not super excited to set mine but think I'm getting the right price plus I have absolute position and great relative position.

Flop: UTG should continue with his strong aces so once he checks I'm putting him on 88-QQ, KQ, slow played AA/KK/AK, and maybe raggedy suited aces and suited broadways. If anyone else has a strong ace I expect to see a bet from them. After calling flop, UTG still has the nutted part of his range along with weak aces, KQ, stubborn QQ/JJ, and suited broadways that have a gutter + bdfd.

Turn: I check back because the J gives UTG an even wider nutted range and adds a ton of equity to the rest of his range.

River: Since I showed disinterest on the turn, I expect UTG to bet most of his nutted range here. Once he checks, his range has a small portion of nutted hands but consists mainly of hands capped at top pair weak kicker. I feel like he might call a reasonable bet with these hands out of frustration or curiosity, especially after I showed weakness on the turn. However, I don't think he is able to call a pot sized shove since it puts him to a decision for all of his chips and also carries a hefty absolute sizing that he isn't used to calling with TPWK or worse.
How many ace/rag hands do you really think he has when raising UTG? I don't mind the flop bet or turn check, I think the reasoning is fine on both. The river shove is terrible though. Better hope he doesn't understand basic poker.
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01-04-2016 , 08:41 PM
yeah, one big leak youŽll see reocurring on this subforum is that players donŽt bluff nearly enough, but this is just pure spew. itŽs good that youŽve got the courage to bluff, but still itŽs a really badly played hand, and there is not much more to say about it.
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01-04-2016 , 09:54 PM
Dear Money,

I hate you.

Signed,
OP
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01-04-2016 , 11:18 PM
As played, I don't have any value hands in my river shoving range. Thankfully this is live 1/2 and not a 2/5 zoom game. Sure it would be nice to credibly represent a strong value hand, but villain is more concerned about whether the two cards in his hand are worth putting his whole stack in than if my line makes any sense.
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01-04-2016 , 11:34 PM
Villian dependant, but IŽd pause a bit before I checked back the flop with the plan to sometimes bet brickish turns if it checks around to me again. IŽd be looking to use my live reads and position to make a cheap stab, not put in a lot of money as you did.
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01-05-2016 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Zenith EV
Pre: I'm not super excited to set mine but think I'm getting the right price plus I have absolute position and great relative position.

Flop: UTG should continue with his strong aces so once he checks I'm putting him on 88-QQ, KQ, slow played AA/KK/AK, and maybe raggedy suited aces and suited broadways. If anyone else has a strong ace I expect to see a bet from them. After calling flop, UTG still has the nutted part of his range along with weak aces, KQ, stubborn QQ/JJ, and suited broadways that have a gutter + bdfd.

Turn: I check back because the J gives UTG an even wider nutted range and adds a ton of equity to the rest of his range.

River: Since I showed disinterest on the turn, I expect UTG to bet most of his nutted range here. Once he checks, his range has a small portion of nutted hands but consists mainly of hands capped at top pair weak kicker. I feel like he might call a reasonable bet with these hands out of frustration or curiosity, especially after I showed weakness on the turn. However, I don't think he is able to call a pot sized shove since it puts him to a decision for all of his chips and also carries a hefty absolute sizing that he isn't used to calling with TPWK or worse.
This answer tells me one of two things:

(1) You have MUCH deeper reads on his betting pattern than you are giving in the OP. Congrats on exploiting the reads, but you'll get better conversation from the board if you take the time to type them up.

(2) You have WAY too much faith that opponent approaches the game the same way you do. And the reason you're getting a lot of flack from previous commenters is because that's the way it appears from the brief post.

I don't mind you taking a stab on the flop. You may have the best hand, you do have the best position, and your bet can easily force 88-QQ to fold.

But once the PFR calls with multiple players still to act, we should adjust our expectations. He most likely either (a) has AA/KK/AK here and is thinking "ZOMG I MUST SLOWPLAY THIS GREAT HAND or (b) has QQ/JJ/1010 here and doesn't have a fold button.

Checking behind on the turn is the right choice. But it also removes basically any chance that he'll fold QQ/JJ/1010 on the river.

Once he checks the river, we now think that he probably has QQ/JJ/1010. But if he couldn't fold it to the scary overcards on the flop, why do we expect him to fold it now?

Your bet sizing is particularly bad on the river, because his river calling range is going to be pretty inelastic. He's either calling because "EFF YOU I HAD QUEEEEEEEENS" or he's folding because queens are ace-magnets. So he's about as likely to fold for $50 as he is for $120, but $50 more effectively tells the story "okay, yeah, my suited ace must be good" while also risking less of your stack for the same reward.
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