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04-26-2011 , 11:02 AM
Reads: Villain is young, aggro, decent player. In the past few orbits, I've been pushing hands hard by check/raising in spots where I have a draw w/ 50% equity and taking down the pot uncontested. Villain may have noticed this.

Stacks: Effective stacks $140.

Preflop, I complete the SB w/ 56 after four limpers. Villain limped in the CO. Flop comes 789. I check, BB checks, UTG bets $7, UTG+1 calls, Villain calls, I raise to $40. Folds to villain who takes some time, then calls. Turn is the 4th worst possible card, a 9 of diamonds. Pot is now $106, I have $98 left. Best action here?

Last edited by yodachoda; 04-26-2011 at 11:10 AM.
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04-26-2011 , 11:10 AM
Shove. If he really picked on the fact that you are c/r-ing with draws then he may have called you light with intention that you will just check it down if miss (with strong hand he would raise you to prevent you from further drawing). On top of that you got a straight, idiot end of it but if it's not good you have a redraw to flush which is most likely good.
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04-26-2011 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Venen
Shove. If he really picked on the fact that you are c/r-ing with draws then he may have called you light with intention that you will just check it down if miss (with strong hand he would raise you to prevent you from further drawing). On top of that you got a straight, idiot end of it but if it's not good you have a redraw to flush which is most likely good.
Sorry, was a typo, I don't have a flush draw on the turn. And is c/rai too dangerous here? Villain would probably put me on like Q10 if I checked. And remember he is aggro. Just shoving better?
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04-26-2011 , 11:25 AM
c/f
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04-26-2011 , 11:34 AM
2pair or a set would have been raised on the flop by an 'aggro decent' player. J10 is possible but I'd discount it as well.. probably would have raised the flop bet smallish for value.

This smells a lot like a pair+10. If we assume 4 combos of the nuts and the more probable combos of 10+pair, were looking good for a AI here. Here's the equity;
Hand 0: 63.194% 63.19% 00.00% 1001 0.00 { 6h5h }
Hand 1: 36.806% 36.81% 00.00% 583 0.00 { JTs, T7s+, T7o+ }

We don't want to give another free card because we are afraid of any 9, 8, 7, 6 or jack. Plus, were getting called by 910 or maybe a loosely played j9.
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04-26-2011 , 11:56 AM
I also play preflop, although I'm still not a fan of beginning a hand without a maximum (i.e. 100 BB) buy-in.

I like the flop check/raise as someone is most likely going to take a stab at this flop. I also like the raise size as it sets ourselves up for an easy PSB on the turn.

The 9 doesn't actually scare me that much cuz my guess is the villain would have played a two pair hand much more aggressively on this flop vs the world. We have a straight on the turn with a PSB left and started the hand with only 70 BB. Ship. It. ETA: And ya, way too many river scare cards to want to attempt a check/raise.

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04-26-2011 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by yodachoda
Reads: Villain is young, aggro, decent player. In the past few orbits, I've been pushing hands hard by check/raising in spots where I have a draw w/ 50% equity and taking down the pot uncontested. Villain may have noticed this.

Stacks: Effective stacks $140.

Preflop, I complete the SB w/ 56 after four limpers. Villain limped in the CO. Flop comes 789. I check, BB checks, UTG bets $7, UTG+1 calls, Villain calls, I raise to $40. Folds to villain who takes some time, then calls. Turn is the 4th worst possible card, a 9 of diamonds. Pot is now $106, I have $98 left. Best action here?
Is "young aggro" Villain overlimping 77-99 in the CO? If your read is right, I'm going to say no. If he is, your read is wrong.

Provided read is accurate, Villain - given action thusfar - should never have flopped a set or a better straight. So we're worried about what here... 98 and 97?

You have a psb left, a straight, and no interest in letting Villain see a free river. Shove.
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04-26-2011 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by yodachoda
Reads: Villain is young, aggro, decent player. In the past few orbits, I've been pushing hands hard by check/raising in spots where I have a draw w/ 50% equity and taking down the pot uncontested. Villain may have noticed this.

Stacks: Effective stacks $140.

Preflop, I complete the SB w/ 56 after four limpers. Villain limped in the CO. Flop comes 789. I check, BB checks, UTG bets $7, UTG+1 calls, Villain calls, I raise to $40. Folds to villain who takes some time, then calls. Turn is the 4th worst possible card, a 9 of diamonds. Pot is now $106, I have $98 left. Best action here?
Reload for another buy-in
lol, lol, lol

Che,
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04-26-2011 , 08:50 PM
ez shove. everything else is far inferior imo

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c/f
level..
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04-26-2011 , 08:56 PM
i usually lead this flop though. i think we give up too much value at 1/2 sometimes by not leading flop with hands like this. depending on who the villains are and the table dynamics.

the way i think about it is:

how often does it go "hero check, v1 bets, v2 calls, hero check/raises, v1 folds, v2 folds"?
how often does it go "hero bets, v1 folds, v2 folds"?

the first one happens a lot more imo. but like i say, villain dependent
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04-26-2011 , 09:20 PM
The fact that you hit your 3%er on the flop and have to post a HH asking what to do pretty much explains why you don't want to play low SC oop, no matter how cheaply.
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04-26-2011 , 09:40 PM
with only 70bb, i see the argument, but i can't bring myself to fold this for $1 at most of the tables i would normally be playing at.

that said, i never have to think about it cuz i'm usually 150bb+ deep against at least a few really bad players
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04-26-2011 , 10:00 PM
Shove, and lead flop next time
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04-27-2011 , 03:51 AM
shove. enough 10+SD combos in his range. i don't see villain slowplaying 2pair on this wet flop.
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