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07-26-2011 , 08:05 PM
Reads: Seems kinda loose passive. I raised earlier with JJ and he called OOP with A rag. Flop came A K 3 and we just checked it down, he never bet.

Stacks: Effective stacks $195.

Preflop I raise in EP to $10 with 1010. Villain calls in the SB, BB calls. Flop comes 1054. Villain check calls $20, BB folds. Turn is Q. Continue betting correct? I thought it was okay to protect against A5 or K10 type hands. But a benefit of checking is: I may have him drawing dead! He could have like 88 no heart, or A10 no heart. Checking turn against these hands is the best way to squeeze out another bet.

But I bet $30, villain ships, and he gives a speech, sounds real confident. Maybe he has 55 and thinks I have KK? But wouldn't sets and two pair raise flop, except for Q10?
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07-26-2011 , 08:20 PM
Bet/bet/bet is perfect here against the loose/passive opponent. you are getting max value from all hands you crush and since you will know for sure if you are beat by him becoming aggressive towards the pot you can play perfectly. and yes i believe sets and 2pair raise the flop since there is still another person to act behind him that he will be giving a good price to draw if he just flats.



As played, he let you know your beat...now play perfectly.
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07-26-2011 , 09:52 PM
Raise more pre fish.
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07-26-2011 , 10:02 PM
Bet at least 45 on turn. Fold
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07-27-2011 , 02:41 PM
Loose passive may not be an accurate description, in fact it's only based on how I saw him play that ace rag hand. He's been at the table for like 30 minutes...And that ace rag hand was 3 handed, and he was OOP against both players.

So we are getting 2-1, so we need 33%+ equity to call. If we're getting exactly 33% equity then it's a break even call, but I'll make it because gambling is fun. Against a range of all flushes, we have slightly more than 20% equity because hearts will be outs against small flushes. If we add in 55, 44, and Q10 into his range, then we have around 50% equity and can call.

Let me ask this again, is this NEVER 55, 44, or Q10? Villain doesn't put me on a flush, right? Maybe I have AA, KK, AQ, or KQ. Sure, sets usually c/r flop but I've seen players just c/c with them many times. Does a set just check/call turn now that the flush came?

If we add just the Q10 hands, then we have 32% equity and can't call. But if we add Q10 and 55, then we have 39% equity and have to call.
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07-27-2011 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Superman1
Bet/bet/bet is perfect here against the loose/passive opponent.
More just being devil's advocate here, but we realize by bet/bet we set ourselves up for having a PSB left on the river, in which case we can't bet/fold? Or you advocating bet/fold on the river when we have a set and we'd be getting ~5:1 on any reasonable bet?
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07-27-2011 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by I am Near
Raise more pre fish.
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07-27-2011 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
Bet at least 45 on turn. Fold
We have 2nd best set, a flush redraw, and started the hand with ~100bbs.

I agree villains overbet jam here is a flush a bunch, but it is surely AQ/QT sometimes. If it's a small flush we have ~40%.

Really folding? I guess we can, but it's close. I doubt I fold, T makes me call just because we have great odds vs. smaller flushes...his nut flush combos are pretty limited now...AK 3bets pre, AJ sure, does he call with A8/A9 always etc. KJ/K9 are there also I guess.
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07-27-2011 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by yodachoda
Let me ask this again, is this NEVER 55, 44, or Q10?

Villain doesn't put me on a flush, right? Maybe I have AA, KK, AQ, or KQ.
1-Don't think it really is 44/55 ever. QT meh. Maybe.

2-He never puts you on a flush. Doubt he puts you on anything besides AA.
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07-27-2011 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by abgtr
1-Don't think it really is 44/55 ever. QT meh. Maybe.

2-He never puts you on a flush. Doubt he puts you on anything besides AA.
Then why can't he have any two pair or worse set? Why wouldn't he ALWAYS play Q10 like this? If he puts me on AA, then he's vulnerable and should protect his hand by check raising.
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07-27-2011 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by yodachoda
Then why can't he have any two pair or worse set? Why wouldn't he ALWAYS play Q10 like this? If he puts me on AA, then he's vulnerable and should protect his hand by check raising.
who flats a set on the flop? he saw you check streets without a hand after a pfr earlier, our cbet must look strong, so why would he flat 45/55/44 when he thinks he can raise/get it in otf?

I'm not saying it can't be, but I don't see it much. fwiw I still think it's a call either way...we need 33% and have 23% of it by FH equity alone.
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07-27-2011 , 03:41 PM
He hardely ever has a 10. You have 2 and there is one on the board. Is he really calling the flop with A 5X. Come on man. You beat almost nothing. Checking the turn is best here. When you get called on the flop it's almost always flush draw because as mentioned before he almost never flopped top pair. And he also raises pre AA KK. And check raises JJ QQ on flop. If he has 99-66 he is done with the hand when the second over card + flush draw got there. Check the turn and call river if board doesnt pair or raise/bet when it does.
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