UTG: mid-late 20's, new to table, plays on occasion but first time at same table, so no real read

UTG+1: clean cut around 30 Asian, he's been playing about an hour and hasn't done anything note worthy, read is weighted towards ABC

UTG+2: 60+ guy, reg who is either playing his A game which is pretty good, or his F game, which is spewtardtastic. He has no in between. Today he is playing spew and I've picked up on a couple of reliable bet sizing tells. He was up 1 1/2 BI's now retreating down to $300 and is close to ready to bomb it all off.

MP1 - loose passive very fishy

Horsehsoe Hammond 9 handed 1/2 NLHE

UTG ($175) raises to $7
UTG+1 ($150) 3 bets to $18
UTG+2 ($300) calls
MP1 ($150) calls
Hero SB ($450) has JJ & calls. I noticed UTG had already grabbed the chips to call and thought about making a big squeeze, as I considered both raises as weakish, but four betting JJ into 2 other raisers is asking a lot to fold out everyone at 1/2 unless they're playing very LAG imo; I also considered folding but felt that if I got a favorable flop I could make plenty of money to justify calling, so I call and 5 players to the flop

Flop ($83) K73
I'm done with the hand, but it checks through.
Turn ($83) 7
I'm still not ready to stab at it against 4 other players with a flopped flush possible and a scared K not ready to bet. My plan is to c/f the turn and b/f any non diamond river. Agree? Turn once again checks through and I feel pretty good about my plan.
River ($83) 7
Hero bets $55

Agree with my line or do you choose different PF strategy or stab earlier?

Well played. I'd play it the same.

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I think I'd bet river heavier since they won't fold worse boats otherwise fine.

Tough situation. But, there's $64 in the pot when it gets to you preflop, I reraise to around that amount to try to take it down right there. I don't like having to flop a set with a hand as strong as JJ.

As played, your line is okay, I'd probably bet a little smaller on the river in the hopes of getting paid off by smaller pairs.

I'm not a big fan of playing multiway wih hands like qq or jj. I think jj is a fold pre unless u think his 3betting range is wider than qq+ and ak+ or unless u 4bet

4 betting JJ preflop against this show of strength would be a bluff. I would not do that.

This scenario seems not quite good enough to set mine. Your 3bettor only has $132 behind. Implied odds on his whole stack and the dead money is 11.3:1. He is not described as bad, so who knows if you will get his whole stack in this 5 way pot. You are out of position against the table.

I would just fold preflop.

As played I probably just check the river as well. Until I see otherwise, I'm putting the 3 bettor on JJ+, AKs, AK. It's surprising he never bet, but the likelihood of getting called by worse has to be lower than the likelihood of his hand being better than yours. I check/fold to all but UTG+2 and check/call him for less than psb.

well played imo, ignore the nits. i do probably fold pre if no one between you and utg+1 calls though.

Fold Pre? for 18 dollars?

Preflop, JJ is too strong to fold to a 9bb bet, especially when you're getting so many callers and good odds to set mine. 4bet/folding its turning your hand into a bluff, and 4bet/calling is spew unless 3 bet villain is really lag preflop. So calling seems like the clear best option.

Flop is easy c/f. Once it checks through, your hand is good enough to bet one street, assuming board bricks out (no a, q, or diamond). In game, I might have played b/f turn to protect and get value from flush draws, but then river is tricky between c/f and c/c depending on villain's propensity to bluff.

So I think your pot control line of checking flop and turn is probably best way to get good value while avoiding a tough decision. Stacks are shallow enough that river should be a b/c against most villains, not b/f. UTG+2 (300 preflop) river jam is probably a fold; hard to put him on qq+, but could have some random 7 like a7s or 87s.

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I dont mind the hand as played, but who is going to call your River bet? Certainly not many, if any, flushes ... and K will probably raise you in that room. Not sure who you are 'stealing' from by betting here. You are better off 'spending' this money PF to thin the herd or take it down without a fight.

As described, I think JJ plays like KK at this table and you want more information about the strength of UTG+1 hand by 4-betting. If you get by him, then you want +2 or MP to stay in the hand so you can barrel the Flop 'safely' ... even this Flop.

Still not sure why you are dangling chips out there with the intention of folding to any raise on the River. Smaller pairs will assume a scared K finally feels comfortable and fold out. You might pick up more action if the board wasnt a 3-flush on the Flop. My guess is that UTG+1 had QQ and called what looked like a stab at the pot. GL

Not sure of the mathematically correct play pre, but essentially you are just calling to set-mine. If the other players had folded, I would have as well, but with this likely going 5 ways to the flop I'm calling here.

You would need a better read that these players have a fairly wide range in order to 4-bet this spot pre.

As played, I think river bet is good and is called by a wide range of hands you beat.

4-bet pre to 60 and try to take down pot. You only don't 4-bet if you put UTG or UTG+1 on QQ, KK or AA. The rest of money is dead money if you 4-bet pre. Plus now you're OOP with JJ in a multiway pot. Might as well have 77 at that point.

Might aswell have 27o if you're just 4-betting to take down the pot.

I thought this was a border line spot to set mine, but I could still have the best hand, and there were enough players in to see a flop. Four betting was basically turning my hand into a bluff and only getting action from hands I'm crushed by, information I could probably get by post flop action for only the price of a call. Against laggy players I'm 4 betting though.

I bet the river because I was sure any pp worse than mine was calling, if UTG2 raised I was going to call or fold based on his sizing tell, otherwise there was no one there that was bluff raising this river imo, I see these boards quite often and someone with any pp is calling though.

As for turning JJ into 77, yeah I was in a way, but sometimes it isn't a big pp it's a middle pp & I felt this was one of those spots.

Is something wrong with 4 betting here?

Yes, UTG+1's range has us crushed.

the raise size is insignificant when your not considering effective stack sizes

I like the flat pre. If you 4-bet then you would probably have to face an all in from UTG+1. And with you saying you considered a fold I doubt that's really what you wanted.

I think 55 on the river is a good value bet. Hopefully he didn't slow down with something like QQ.

I'm folding PF, since we are crushed by the 3-better's range and we have no way of knowing if the initial raiser is going to repop it. Even if it isn't repoped, we are OOP, we don't have the odds to set-mine against either of the raisers, and just because some bigger stacks may flat the raisers doesn't mean that they are going to stack off against us unless either hits a very good hand against our much better hand.