Hi guys, thanks in advance for the replies and help.

1/2 300 max BI game

Hero(500~):Been playing relatively tight due to being card dead for couple hours. Main villian has only been playing for 30 mins or so, not sure if he knows

V1(300~): Sat down 30 mins ago, been relatively snug and have not seen many hands from him to suggest what type of player he is. However, have always opened hands to 15 dollars, regardless of position/limpers.

V2(200+): Not afraid to call with drawing hands on flop/turn, plays strong hands fast.

V3(300+) Not very relevant to the hand.


On to the hand:
V1(UTG+1) opens to 10 , Hero(UTG+2) flats with AJ, folds to the blinds where V2(SB) and V3(BB) calls.

Flop($40): 7810
All checks to hero
Hero bets 25
V2 calls
V1 calls

Turn($115): 7810A
Both Vs check to hero
Hero bets 60
V2 calls
V1 calls

River($295): 7810AQ
V2 checks
V1 bets 100

Hero ?????


As per topic, are we ever good here when V1 leads out on this river?
Also, would like some feedback on all streets as played by Hero.

OTF - With 4 people seeing a flop I probably check behind. I don't like my chances of getting 3 folds on this flop, especially if V2 is a bit stationy. Getting called by any T, any 9, two spades, 87 and sets. With the nut flush draw and the good side of the straight draw, IOs are juicy as well. Don't hate betting, but if I bet I probably go pot-sized on the theory that I want to maximize FE and don't really fear a check raise given how many outs I have.

Once I'm called in two spots, I'm 100% checking behind on turn because I can't tell if a turn bet is a bluff or for value. Seems like a bet that's getting called by better and getting worse to fold. I can't really get better hands to fold, because there's no way someone is calling flop with a better ace and folding when they hit turn, and I doubt anyone is folding two pair. I guess we can get value from worse flush draws but there aren't that many of them out there when we have AsJs. Maybe we get a call from a sticky T, but a lot of the Ts that called river are AT.

On river, people are very rarely bluffing river into two people, and the only possible value hand you beat is A9, which may not even be in V1's pre-flop range. Think this is a fold, but in game I'd often call given the price he's laying me.

no, you shouldn't ever be good here on the river.

Rest of the hand:
I might 3bet pre giving the weak sizing tell.
Flop bet it thin, but with the nut flush draw, 2 overs, and a gutter, it's prolly fine.

Furn is probably fine.

River is a clear fold imo.

AJ here is the same thing as like 10-x. We really cant beat any hand that is betting for value.

The price is hard not to notice.... Think I find a fold here multi-way, heads up might be a different situation.

Pot flop - pot+ turn

AP ez fold.

Thanks guys,

As played i did fold but i was thinking after the hand how strong i had to be to call him there because it looks like he can only have kj there... not sure if there are any hands in his range that plays this way which i might have missed.

The way the hand played out I'd expect a lot more 2p, KJ shouldn't even get to the river.

But yes think of which hands bet river for value and try to find one that you beat, that's why I am folding pretty quickly.

Flop and turn are played fine. I might bet larger on the flop but turn sizing is good.

I pretty firmly believe that allowing Vs to see rivers uncommitted is a monstrous error at these stacks as you should win this hand nearly always in a lot of different ways when pounding away IP. You have a wildly strong range of sets, straights, 2p, and FDs which all want to make the pot as big as possible, as early as possible, as often as possible.

it looks like he is valuetowning you with AQ. by your description of V, you are good here only like 5% time. instamuck.

hate the sizing on the flop and turn. both are way to small. wouldn't mind a check on the turn versus that tiny bet.

I actually agree

I would have bet near pot on the flop. On the turn I think you have to either bet near pot again, or just check it back. I kind of like checking it back.

Potting the turn makes no sense. What are you protecting against? Why put in so much money and risk a check raise/not seeing a river with your draw. You also disguise your hand so much and it might induce a river bluff.

Turn is a very easy check behind.