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07-31-2019 , 08:50 AM
1/2, $250 effective, villain just moved from another table and this is only his second hand at the table. Hero and villain have never played together.

OTTH

Three loose passives + villain in CO limp to hero in SB who calls with 8 6. BB checks.

Flop ($12): T 5 2. It's checked to villain who bets $10, hero calls, and loose passive in LJ calls.

Turn ($42): 3. It's checked to villain who bets $25, hero raises to $100, and only villain calls.

River ($242): 5. Hero checks and villain shoves for $138. Hero?

Thoughts on all streets are appreciated!
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07-31-2019 , 09:24 AM
Flop should be a XR most of the time. We have one of our worst flush draws but there are a lot of good turns that we can barrel. Any 3/4/6/7/8/9 non give us equity.

Turn should just be a x/c. Not only is this a limped pot - which means ranges are undefined. But CO will only call your XR OTT with mostly better hands. If you just do simple combinatorics, there's around 30-40 better flushes he can have.

You actually put yourself in a reverse implied odds spot. You are folding out all his weak hands - and targeting his strongest hands that are on a virtual free roll to cooler you.

The reversed implied odds situation is pretty common actually - I made a poll in the small stakes forum on a simple question regarding this exact concept.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...-3bet-1748839/

Pretty much everyone got this poll wrong
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07-31-2019 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Flop should be a XR most of the time. We have one of our worst flush draws but there are a lot of good turns that we can barrel. Any 3/4/6/7/8/9 non give us equity.

Turn should just be a x/c. Not only is this a limped pot - which means ranges are undefined. But CO will only call your XR OTT with mostly better hands. If you just do simple combinatorics, there's around 30-40 better flushes he can have.

You actually put yourself in a reverse implied odds spot. You are folding out all his weak hands - and targeting his strongest hands that are on a virtual free roll to cooler you.

The reversed implied odds situation is pretty common actually - I made a poll in the small stakes forum on a simple question regarding this exact concept.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...-3bet-1748839/

Pretty much everyone got this poll wrong
With how the rest of the table was playing I expected at least one more villain to call and to get better odds on my draw. I do definitely see from the theoreoretical perspective why we should x-r flop... However, I wouldn't expect an unknown to ever be bluffing this multiway. I felt like if I raised I would have zero FE. I guess this reasoning is a case for just folding pre?

On a side note, you say we should raise because this is one of our worst combos...I was always told the NFD is the best combo to x-r, but that's our best combo, so I'm truly confused as to how we can tell which combos are best to raise and best to call.
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07-31-2019 , 09:54 AM
With my image at the table, I am shoving for value here on this river. I'll get called lighter by some good Ten's & trips.

you need to have the best hand here about 36.3% of the time. In a limped pot, his range can be pretty wide on this board. He could have 55, 22, 33, 52s, 53/54 which are all reasonable bets on the flop, He could also have AT-T9 going for value on the flop, or a flush draw like J9hh, Q9hh, or weak AXhh hand.

When he bets turn, he's saying he either made the flush, has a hand that can call a raise (set, 2 pair, pair + NFD or 2nd NFD), or complete air ball bluff...which judging by his call he wasn't bluffing. I don't think he has a middling flush anymore like QXhh or JXhh, I think both those hands would shove here based on my experience. So i think you're ahead or drawing stone dead against nut flush.

when he calls your turn raise, I'd range him on 55/22, AhTx, KhTx, 54, 53, 52, or nut flush weak kicker. Against that range, on the river you have about 40% equity.

Without any information on Villian (Male/Women, black/white/Asian, Old/Young/ physical appearance, etc.) the math dictates calling to be profitable.
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07-31-2019 , 09:59 AM
Also, I do agree that check/raising the flop would be a good play. You're giving yourself a chance to win the hand right away, and with 8 high that's always a good thing. Like above poster said too, there is a decent amount of cards that can come on the turn that you can keep barreling on.

I wouldn't check raise every time, but I would do it a good clip of the time (probably around 60% of the time)
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07-31-2019 , 10:38 AM
Not sure why you didn't shove river yourself after c/r turn
AP I call
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07-31-2019 , 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Flop should be a XR most of the time. We have one of our worst flush draws but there are a lot of good turns that we can barrel. Any 3/4/6/7/8/9 non give us equity.

Turn should just be a x/c. Not only is this a limped pot - which means ranges are undefined. But CO will only call your XR OTT with mostly better hands. If you just do simple combinatorics, there's around 30-40 better flushes he can have.

You actually put yourself in a reverse implied odds spot. You are folding out all his weak hands - and targeting his strongest hands that are on a virtual free roll to cooler you.

The reversed implied odds situation is pretty common actually - I made a poll in the small stakes forum on a simple question regarding this exact concept.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...-3bet-1748839/

Pretty much everyone got this poll wrong
So you’re suggesting 54s has higher EV 3-betting BTN vs CO than A2s and 98s...? Interesting.
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08-01-2019 , 11:51 AM
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