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1/2 river decision- call with ace high? 1/2 river decision- call with ace high?

04-29-2013 , 11:53 AM
1/2. Villain appears to be a lag. Only hand he has shown, he 3bet pre and bet/folded on K54 flop to a big reraise. He was buddies with the guy in the hand and flipped over 67cc. He has been active both pre/post and is up about $150 bucks.

Hero - probably viewed as one of the fish. Stacked a shorty with a set and then bluffed off about $100 by betting 3 streets with busted draw. Hero has $240, villain covers.

folds to hero in LP, raises to $16 with AJdd. Villain calls from button.

Flop $35
Qd, 8, 5d
Hero bets $30, villain calls

Flop $95
Qd, 8, 5d, 10c
Hero bets $100, villain calls

River $295
brick, 3c

Hero has $95 left. Hero checks, villain takes about 15 seconds and then pushes $100.

Just about every draw missed and I discount J9 because I don't see how villain wouldn't reraise all in on the turn. Villain is most likely 3betting pre with JJ+ and I think he reraises turn on such a wet board with a set, so that really only leaves Qx and busted draws.

I'm believe I should be calling but want to make sure I am not missing something obvious. Help on all street welcomed as i feel like I butchered this hand.

Last edited by tskarzyn; 04-29-2013 at 12:10 PM.
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04-29-2013 , 11:57 AM
your sizing otf and ott is way too large. almost everything that called otf is likely calling ott, so no need to make over a psb since a smaller bet will still leave you with less than a psb otr to shove if you hit your hand. and now you aren't left in this awkward situations where you may be forced to call with A high.
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04-29-2013 , 12:03 PM
what is the board? you messed something up there.
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04-29-2013 , 12:05 PM
Your flop and turn sizing are bad to leave this little behind.
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04-29-2013 , 12:05 PM
Also this is a fold there are not that many draws in his range after that turn bet when you hold the AdJd.
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04-29-2013 , 12:06 PM
Villain has one pair a lot here.
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04-29-2013 , 12:10 PM
My bad on the board. Thought it was q96 but it was actually q85
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04-29-2013 , 12:12 PM
On bet sizing, i was trying to rep a made hand that was scared of the wet board, but on river i definitely regretted it.
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04-29-2013 , 12:15 PM
Would villain bet a pair on river expecting to get called by worse? I was thinking that a pair+fd or Qx/JJ would probably check back river.
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04-29-2013 , 01:04 PM
First off, this hand is a prime example for why raising smaller PF is better at these levels. Yes, you had a monster draw, but as you can see, villain wasn't going anywhere with what was likely a combo draw or 1 pair kinda hand. If you make it $10 PF, cbet for $15 OTF, $~35-40 OTT, it leaves you with enough to bluff OTR. And if you hit your draw on any street, you're likely to get an overbet called at these stakes because most villains think "OMG I has TPGK... Call, call, call". As played, he's probably bluffing with the best hand (like 8d9d or some crap). It's a fold.
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04-29-2013 , 02:49 PM
First, seat change. We do not want to be sitting to this guy's right.

I'm cool with both preflop and flop (pure value bets).

I don't like the turn bet. We've just been caught 3barrel bluffing, so now is the time to change gears and only value bet. I just check and hope villain gives me a good price to chase (and we'll probably be able to chase any reasonable bet). We should also be considering what we're going to do if he calls; we've only left ourselves with 1/3 PSB left, so we'll probably will have little FE on the river.

In spite of the good odds, I fold the river. Villain probably thinks we're folding nothing getting 4:1, so it just looks like a bet for value to me. We have a bunch of the drawing cards he's supposed to have, so it's not as likely a draw (plus he just called a massive PSB on the turn).

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04-29-2013 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by vaz1981
First off, this hand is a prime example for why raising smaller PF is better at these levels. .
^^^^ yea that especially when your in late position. ajdd isn't a bad hand to play 3 handed or so especially when your gonna have position most of the time.

otf the bet is okay. 25 probably would have been better but whatever its fine.
ott I would have gone for a check/ship for two reasons. First, I don't mind a check back from him to get a free river. Second, if your really viewed as a fish, a check/raise turn smells like a set and a set only. He has to fold the majority of his 1 pair hands and if you get called, you have 12 outs to the nuts - and 15 outs if you include the low end of the straight draw - not to bad of equity imo for a "bluff".

AP on river is an easy fold because we lose to a lot of his bluffs. Also feels like he has a-q and with your check is going thin value.
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04-29-2013 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by vaz1981
First off, this hand is a prime example for why raising smaller PF is better at these levels.
I don't agree with this. A $16 raise against villain's stack sets up a trivial SPR of <= 4 where we can easily stack off postflop with TP. Plus the bigger the raise the more chance at limiting the field.

Course, AJs also doesn't play bad very multiway either, so we could take the opposite route and just limp/overlimp and play for better than TP hands in a multiway limped pot. Course, with it being folded to us in LP it doesn't look like there's a multiway pot brewing.

The inbetween smallish raise case is the worse choice, imo. It has an ok chance of creating a bloated multiway pot with a smallish SPR, or creates too big of an SPR where we're comfortable stacking off HU (both bad results, imo).
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04-29-2013 , 04:31 PM
C/R all in on turn was what I was first leaning towards but I wasn't sure whether it was believable that 2pair/set would check on such a wet board. I had also bet much smaller on the bluff, and was hoping to look more like a made hand that is scared of all the draws.

Results- I folded river, and then was shocked to see villain show 9d6d as he raked in the pot.
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04-29-2013 , 04:56 PM
96dd, 67dd, and 79dd are the only part of his range you're beating, IMO.
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