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11-21-2018 , 05:44 PM
Hey all, this hand happened last weekend at 1-2 and just wondering if my sizing is good. I open j-9o to 8 dollars in the cut off. Small blind and big blind call. Small blind is an old nitty player and bb is a semi splashy young man that has been calling a bets pre go opens but showing no real aggression in regards to 3 betting etc.

Flop is 10-8-2 rainbow. It checks to me and I lead for 15. Sb folds and big blind calls. Turn is a k that puts 2 spades on board. Sb checks and I lead for 30 trying to get a fold but he calls again. Hey

After this result, I feel I can get him off a 10-x type hand if I bet river. River comes up a 3 and he checks to us again. Now In this spot, should we almost always bluff? I feel when we 2 barrel, we have to bet here to take it down as we have no showdown value and I feel I can rep k easily.

I lead for 120 to make it look like I love my hand. I feel big sizing is something i will do with nuts/bluffs here so I feel semi balanced per se. Villian goes into tank for 1.5 min and I’m worried he will get a live read on me as I feel blood rushing to my face, nervous etc. he ends up folding and shows a 10 with what might be an 8 but I doubt it looking back. Do we have to always bet this river when we bet turn?

I feel he may have had a random 10-x and not two pair as I feel 2 pair is always callled in this spot. As played got the intended result but just wanna make sure my line is solid. Thanks for thoughts on this hand along with the sizing of river.
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11-21-2018 , 06:00 PM
Fold preflop J9o to avoid those decisions

AP, I think I check back turn and get the free card
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11-21-2018 , 06:18 PM
When SB calls you need to mostly give up at some point. I don't mind the turn bluff against most guys but taking the free card is probably better when nitty guy calls flop and you have a good draw.

On river it's very metagame. It depends on how stationary villain is and how your image is too villain. Against some a river bet is suicide, against others it's fine. Against a competent opponent you should bluff sometimes but you also need to give up sometimes.

When you are bluffing river your sizing is a bit big. Your sudden size ramp up on the river is representing a hand that got better on the river and there are not really in your line. $70 probably has the same effect for a much lower price.
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11-21-2018 , 06:21 PM
A nitty old man wouldn't have gotten to the river and not called. Good thing your read was bad.

In a vacuum, this is at best a neutral play in terms of EV. If you haven't gotten out of line yet, you can push this to a slight +EV play. However, if you are opening worse than J9o, people are going to start calling you down. Your line didn't make much sense.
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11-21-2018 , 06:25 PM
Fold pre J9o is hot garbage just put you in a tough spot.
As played am cbeting flop and double barrell the turn.
If you bet a little bigger on the turn say 45-55 you should be getting a few more folds.
As played you empty the clip and it gets through but can be risky at 1/2 as people will call off light

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11-22-2018 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by stlows
Fold preflop J9o to avoid those decisions

AP, I think I check back turn and get the free card
Fold j/9 in position? Seems a little too nitty in a pot we will
Be in position. It might have been suited, hand happened last weekend so don’t know exact hand but I feel this is a simple slam dunk raise pre in an unopened pot.

High variance play sure, but prolly an open. We can’t represent a k on the turn here? I’m always cbetting kq, aq, kj etc here.
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11-22-2018 , 02:55 PM
I don't really mind any street. I agree that you're probably better served tightening the open up, especially if you expect the BB to defend most of the time. But not the end of the world.

Might be a waste of money to bet so big on the river. Maybe he DID fold 10-8. Still, that shouldn't really be your goal here. Your goal is just to push people who can't call down with just a ten off the hand. $75 will usually do that. There will even be the odd occasion where someone calls you because you bet so big and it looks weird.

If this guy actually has the capacity to call with a T here and wasn't just acting, then I'd say your main problem is picking this guy to 1) steal his blind and 2) try a big bluff on.
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