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05-06-2014 , 05:49 PM
Hey guys!

6-handed super deep table with some loose bad Vs

Hero/Btn(500) Young 20s white plays fairly straightforward and has been pretty snug all night showing down strength.

V1/MP(700) MABG, fairly straight forward and not too tricky. loose and passive pre. have seen him limp/call KQo in EP and even flat with QQ. generally aggressive with TP+ can get sticky with second pair on occasion.

V2/CO(1200) 30s black woman, spewy degen. aggressive in bad spots, can fold if leaned on. limp calls hands like K4s.Commonly overbets small pots with unkown range. SUPER prone to tilt. bluffs frequently. likes to double barrel with un-paired overcards In this game for 1.6k has been losing all night and has went on a recent tear for about 1100 in the past 2 hours.

Table limps. Hero limps BTN with T8

Flop(12) 69J

UTG bets 10
V1 and 2 others call
V2 raises to 50
Hero calls.
V1 calls and rest fold

I elect to call here because I have massive implied odds with these two villians and can very possible triple up if my innocuous 7 peels or I back into a club flush. Q may not have as great implied odds.

Turn(192) 3
Checks thru

River(192) K
V1 checks
V2 checks
Hero?
These guys don't have a flush/straight here almost 100% of the time.

I think V1 would have raised the flop bet with strong holdings like a set or two pair and I think he would bet the river a majority of the time with two pair by way of KJ/9K. I think range is something like AJ/TJ/QJ maybe some 9s like A9s/9T/89 and sometimes TT.

V2 has taken a strange line. She has a tendency to fire multiple barrels with draws and strong made hands alike and it seems like she has totally shut down. If she had a hand like two pair or a flopped set I think she barrels this turn 99% of the time. furthermore if she was bluff-raising with a flush and got there she would bet 99% of the time.
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05-06-2014 , 06:04 PM
I don't think you should be bluffing these specific villains because they can get sticky. Also trying to bluff two stixky bad players is very tough. While K looks like a good scare card to bluff, v1 could have made KJ or made a straight with QT but doesn't want to bet because diamonds came thru. Shed rather c/c with those hands. She also might not be willing to fold AJ?

Although this might be unlikely for v2 since he's aggressive, it can probably still apply to him because people just prefer to c/c their strong hands on 3flush boards even if they're aggressive.

Like if I had QT here, I'd probably be value betting big and feeling very good about it. So I don't think its a good idea to bluff since you're essientially trying to make people fold hands that are worse than QT.
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05-06-2014 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
Table limps. Hero limps BTN with T8

Flop(12) 69J

UTG bets 10
V1 and 2 others call
V2 raises to 50
Hero calls.
V1 calls and rest fold

I elect to call here because I have massive implied odds with these two villians and can very possible triple up if my innocuous 7 peels or I back into a club flush. Q may not have as great implied odds.
I think you're looking at this hand with wicked blinders on.
You've only really got 6 pure outs that you can feel comfortable with - 7. 7, 7, Q, Q, Q. So you're calling a raise/re-raise with a hand you hit one out of six time?

The way the action went, I'd be putting one player on TPTK or 2 pair+ and the other on FD... maybe even FD/SD. So you probably have to hit your hand perfect and hope no flush or paired board happens on river... very wishful thinking.

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
Turn(192) 3
Checks thru

River(192) K
V1 checks
V2 checks
Hero?
While K is a good scare card, you have never represented the flush (you didn't bet the turn). So your bet will most likely not scare anybody who liked their hand on the flop.

In our 1/2 games, I've seen Vs get hyperaggressive on the flop and then shut down with sets and two pairs. But they can not be moved of these hands on the turn or river.

IMO, a river bluff here is just lighting $$$ on fire.
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05-06-2014 , 07:48 PM
Great river card to bluff, however with the V's description it sounds like there is no value in trying to bluff 2 of them out. Especially since the turn was checked through.
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05-06-2014 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HiroNakamara
I think you're looking at this hand with wicked blinders on.
You've only really got 6 pure outs that you can feel comfortable with - 7. 7, 7, Q, Q, Q. So you're calling a raise/re-raise with a hand you hit one out of six time?

The way the action went, I'd be putting one player on TPTK or 2 pair+ and the other on FD... maybe even FD/SD. So you probably have to hit your hand perfect and hope no flush or paired board happens on river... very wishful thinking.



While K is a good scare card, you have never represented the flush (you didn't bet the turn). So your bet will most likely not scare anybody who liked their hand on the flop.

In our 1/2 games, I've seen Vs get hyperaggressive on the flop and then shut down with sets and two pairs. But they can not be moved of these hands on the turn or river.

IMO, a river bluff here is just lighting $$$ on fire.
Agreed with everything said above.

I think that villain will just c/c 2pair + I don't see the point in bluffing at this spot I think I just give up on river into 2 sticky villains. Save your $ with your missed S/D and continue on crushing!
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