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1/2 Raise 3s4s, flop trips, unsure of line 1/2 Raise 3s4s, flop trips, unsure of line

12-12-2013 , 03:08 PM
3-bet Flop for sure ...

More to open the Flop as well ... make it look like you are Kx and afraid of the flush more. I dont see too many V betting this Turn without a flush (or AhXx) as they would be afraid of a c/r from a small flush or would bet more to protect against the flush with Kx hands.

I am always wary of ppl who decrease the bet sizing on Turn ... its either a blocker/thin value. Rarely is it a 'test' bet when IP ... OOP yes, not IP when they can just let it check through. GL
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12-12-2013 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by hfrog355
Yeah, I bet the flop more. You're trying to get value from Kx and FDs. If he doesn't have any of those, it's unlikely you're going to get any money from him, so you should maximize the times you do, rather than attempt to squeeze him when you bet smaller and get called by pps under the K.

AP, 3b the flop. This is where the biggest mistake is made. Aside from "fold pre", obv.

I'd c/c the river if he bets tiny like he did the turn. If he makes a real bet, it's a fold. If he bets half pot ore more, there's just not much else in his range other than flushes.
+1
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12-12-2013 , 03:53 PM
You said you planned to bf on river and bet $60. If he shoves it'd be for another $60 and you are getting 4.5:1 on a call. Doesn't he have AK or something else you beat a lot more than that? When he just called I figured you'd have seen Kx or some low flush, not the nut flush.
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12-12-2013 , 04:03 PM
Preflop, raising 34s against unknowns is probably bad, just fold it.

Your c-bet is too small. No need to try and induce an unknown, just go for phat valz.
If you sized your c-bet better you probably wouldn't be in the situation where you don't know whether or not to 3-bet flop.

C/f is probably the best approach by the river. If V bets super tiny just pay him off, there's a chance he's terrible and is betting worse. Also you'll chop with 3x some of the time.

Villain should never have any AX by the river unless it's AK or a flush. If V's turn bet really is weak then he's just folding to your river donk with KX or a random PP.
Villain can have boats (somewhat unlikely), 3X and flushes. And tbh this is what is calling you on the river. Maybe V would be dumb enough to call with KT, but it's unlikely.
Trips no kicker on this board given action isn't that great. The way you backed into a good hand (starting with a bad one) has probably clouded your thinking in this hand.
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12-12-2013 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Cinquefoil
Flop ($38): 33K
Hero bets $20, villain raises to $40, hero calls.
As for flop bet sizing, pretend you have AA/AK/KQ here. You want value, and you want to protect against the heart draw.

You would bet 30, 32, 35, 40 even with these hands.

So bet the same with trips. It's not "balance" as much as getting fat value when you finally hit a monster hand.
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12-12-2013 , 08:52 PM
34s is my favorite non-premium hand to play. i raise it about 80 percent of the time i get it, unless i'm in bad position or at a bad table.

get more money in on the flop. that allows you to shove the turn.
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12-12-2013 , 10:03 PM
Thanks everybody, I really appreciate the advice. It's fairly clear I had no idea what I was doing—hfrog, no offense taken at all, it's just the truth—postflop, but hopefully I'll be much better equipped if I ever run across a weird spot like this again.
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12-12-2013 , 10:08 PM
Not to defend not 3betting the flop, but my plan was pretty much going to be flat flop raise, lead for ~$85 into $118 on non-heart/K turns to essentially commit villain's stack. Is this merely a poor plan, or is it patently horrible?
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12-13-2013 , 01:17 AM
The flop is a bit confusing givin the min check raise as it reps alot of strength. Assuming that its the typical min raise the nuts he can only have like A3 KK that we would really be worried about after he calls a preflop raise. I think you crush his range which is mostly just funky played Kx or draws trying to keep the pot small.

In my opinion you missed your chance to check raise on the turn as played. I am actually pretty ok with raising the flop to charge any flush draws and get value from his TPGK type hands. I don't see how this even made it to the river without all the money going in under 100bb deep, he is never putting you on a 3. He could easily have Kxh after that small bet.
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12-13-2013 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cinquefoil
Not to defend not 3betting the flop, but my plan was pretty much going to be flat flop raise, lead for ~$85 into $118 on non-heart/K turns to essentially commit villain's stack. Is this merely a poor plan, or is it patently horrible?
The problem is - if he does have a flush draw once he misses he is unlikely to call your turn bet. On the flop he thinks he has 2 chances to hit his flush and facing a turn bet he thinks - oh it wasnt meant to be lets give up. (I know this is not logical but that is a fish for you) Maybe the nut flush calls your turn bet but not a smaller flush or anything worse. Bet the flop to get that money in now.
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12-13-2013 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
34s is my favorite non-premium hand to play. i raise it about 80 percent of the time i get it, unless i'm in bad position or at a bad table.

get more money in on the flop. that allows you to shove the turn.
Would you raise more? I would. It's straddled, so I'm going like $25.
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12-13-2013 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cinquefoil
I ended up really confused by his line—min-raise flop, tiny turn bet, he could maybe have...AK, two random hearts, or exactly A3?—and I definitely wasn't aggressive enough on the flop. My plan was to bomb non-heart turns, but that didn't work out, and if he has hearts, raising the turn seems like suicide.

I decided to b/f the river.

Hero bets $60, villain calls.

What do you expect him to show up with here when he just calls?
a flush

think everything is fine, sometimes it's fine to just 3bet the flop...your way is cool coz u had a plan

river might be a c/f but if he just calls with a flush you did a nice job in the hand overall
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12-13-2013 , 04:11 PM
b/3b flop. lead every turn/river. Things don't start to get interesting until you get raised on a heart turn/river.

I don't think there is ever a very good reason to flat the flop raise.
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12-13-2013 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
34s is my favorite non-premium hand to play. i raise it about 80 percent of the time i get it, unless i'm in bad position or at a bad table.

get more money in on the flop. that allows you to shove the turn.
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Originally Posted by BeakWetter
Would you raise more? I would. It's straddled, so I'm going like $25.
Yes, in a straddled pot I would treat it like it was a $2/$5 game pre and make it $25.
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