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04-01-2012 , 02:21 PM
Playing in $1-2 game at casino. Been playing for about 30 mins and up a little.

Villain 1 is an overall loser in the game. He is a white male in his 40's, a weekend player. Always has a nice shirt and pair of jeans on. I have played a few hundred hours with him. He over values all his one pair/top pair hands. he likes to see a lot of flops with trash hands, 75o, KTo, A8o, suited cards etc. V1 never gives me credit for a hand and always likes to call me down.

Hero ($250) in MP opens for $10 with QQ.
V1 ($200) in HJ calls $10.
V2 ($375) in CO calls $10.
V3 ($200) in BB calls $10.

Flop ($41): T35

V3 checks.
Hero bets $35.
V1 immediately raises to $70.
V2 cuts out $70 and ponders for a while. Asks how much I have left. Ponders a little more and reluctantly folds.
V3 folds.
Hero?!?
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04-01-2012 , 03:02 PM
shoving is probably correct.
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04-01-2012 , 04:28 PM
I have found the min-raise to be heavily weighted towards draws. In this example it would probably be the A. Maybe it's tptk raising to ''see where he's at''. 2 pair is unlikely. Maybe he thinks he has to raise w/ a made non-nut flush but doesn't want to commit too many chips. Even fish wake up with the nuts sometimes too. Either way it's close.

Board: Td 3d 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.566% 54.57% 00.00% 42676 0.00 { QdQh }
Hand 1: 45.434% 45.43% 00.00% 35534 0.00 { AdKd, AsKs, AdJd, AcTc, AhTh, AsTs, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad4d, Ad2d, KdJd, KcTc, KhTh, KsTs, Kd9d, Kd8d, QcTc, QsTs, JcTc, JhTh, JsTs, Jd9d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, AdKc, AdKh, AdKs, AdQc, AdQh, AdQs, AdJc, AdJh, AdJs, AhJs, AdTc, AdTh, AdTs, Ad9c, Ad9h, Ad9s, Ad8c, Ad8h, Ad8s, Ad7c, Ad7h, Ad7s, Ad6c, Ad6h, Ad6s, Ad5c, Ad5h, Ad5s, Ad4c, Ad4h, Ad4s, Ad3c, Ad3h, Ad3s, Ad2c, Ad2h, Ad2s, KcTh, KcTs, KdTc, KdTh, KdTs, KhTc, KhTs, KsTc, KsTh, QdTc, QdTh, QdTs, QhTc, QsTc, QsTh, JdTc, JdTh, JdTs }
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04-01-2012 , 04:43 PM
such a tough spot with the description of the villain. I think i would probably fold given ur position. if u fold u still have 205 left and could wait for a better spot.
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04-02-2012 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by todd350
such a tough spot with the description of the villain. I think i would probably fold given ur position. if u fold u still have 205 left and could wait for a better spot.
Are you serious?!?
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04-02-2012 , 12:22 PM
What is the best line here? How does calling, raising, shoving, and folding compare? I think shoving > calling > raising > folding.

Does anyone like to flat the flop and shove the turn?
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04-02-2012 , 01:02 PM
I AM torn between calling/revalue and shoving.
Was this at odawa sat?? This seems familiar.
If its who i think i know he folds tptk to a shove.
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04-02-2012 , 01:13 PM
I don't play at Odawa. This guy only plays at Turtle I believe.

The more I think about it, once he raises the turn, he isn't folding. I play like a scared fish OOP though and just flatted.

Does anyone else just flat the flop or do they always shove the flop?
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04-02-2012 , 02:21 PM
given the description, shove and its not even close. most people like him would not raise with a made flush in position.
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04-02-2012 , 05:41 PM
I think this player might raise with a flush, especially with people left to act. He can also raise with top pair/flush draw type hands, as well as two overs and flush draw.

The min raise seems very weak to me though, I figure if he had a flush here he would have raised more or just shoved.
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04-02-2012 , 05:55 PM
if u call u have two more streets for the fourth diamond to hit, then what he shows up with the ace which has u beat, he might already have u beat with a small made flush. u have 45 dollars invested out of 250 stack. just because u have the overpair does not mean its the nuts. if u want to donk ur stack away go ahead. i hope u sit down at my table sometime and this flop happens and u think ur QQ is good against my nut flush! yes im serious reevaluate consider folding.
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04-02-2012 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by todd350
if u call u have two more streets for the fourth diamond to hit, then what he shows up with the ace which has u beat, he might already have u beat with a small made flush. u have 45 dollars invested out of 250 stack. just because u have the overpair does not mean its the nuts. if u want to donk ur stack away go ahead. i hope u sit down at my table sometime and this flop happens and u think ur QQ is good against my nut flush! yes im serious reevaluate consider folding.
Against a 60 year old nit that only raises here with a flush, I would consider folding. However, the V in this hand is mid 40's fish who I have a few hundred hours of live play history. He likes to see a lot of flops with all sorts of hands from small unsuited connectors, all sorts of suited stuff, ace anything etc. He is a huge loser in the game and has no thought process at all.

Nice little fantasy scenario you have set up. Do you honestly think the only hand this V can min raise on the flop is the nut flush?!? There are no other hands in his range which can raise?

Did you even read the description of V in my original post?
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04-02-2012 , 06:41 PM
yes i read it thats why i think u only have two options here which is to shove or fold. sorry not trying to be a ass. more than likely i think he has a small made flush. i think if it was a bluff he probably wouldve made it more, but if u call and he has that ace of diamond or made flush he is someone u know u can stack off of with a made hand so folding is not bad here.
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04-02-2012 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by todd350
yes i read it thats why i think u only have two options here which is to shove or fold. sorry not trying to be a ass. more than likely i think he has a small made flush. i think if it was a bluff he probably wouldve made it more, but if u call and he has that ace of diamond or made flush he is someone u know u can stack off of with a made hand so folding is not bad here.
The more I think about it, calling is definitely bad, for the reasons you gave. So then like you say, its whether I should shove or fold. I just feel gross folding in this spot to this type of player.
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04-02-2012 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerYoungster
The more I think about it, calling is definitely bad, for the reasons you gave. So then like you say, its whether I should shove or fold. I just feel gross folding in this spot to this type of player.
yea i mean shoving does give u more equity in case he does have just the ace of diamonds. calling is probably the worse thing u can do here.
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