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1/2 - QJ suited TP in a 3-bet pot 1/2 - QJ suited TP in a 3-bet pot

03-20-2012 , 06:33 PM
Reads: Young, asian, seems alright. But somewhat loose pre, but mostly limping. Haven't seen much 3-betting from him. Seems aggro, but he has shown down some monster hands. Not sure if he is running hot or throwing in any bluffs. I'll just call him something between TAG and LAG.

I make it $10 with QJ in MP. He makes it $20 from the CO. Folds to me. I have $47 behind. I flat with the intention of stacking off with top pair or any decent draw. Pre and post flop plan ok?

Flop comes J75 and I check/call an all in ($37 into a $40 pot).
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03-20-2012 , 06:46 PM
Fold pre. Reload. Don't open 5x with < 30 bbs. Etc.
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03-20-2012 , 06:53 PM
allin pre if you are going to play. maybe he folds. doubt it, but it's better than calling off a third of your stack.
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03-20-2012 , 08:02 PM
I've seen countless players on this forum advocate folding QJ in MP. I'm still mixed on it...I think it is strong enough to open from MP, but Q10 or worse is not strong enough.

Anyone fold to the 3-bet pre? I figure there's AK or even JJ in his range.
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03-20-2012 , 08:25 PM
that's what I was saying, fold to the 3bet.
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03-20-2012 , 08:28 PM
dont play with $50, reload or GTFO.
If u must play with $50 fold pre
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03-21-2012 , 12:59 AM
If you're going to play with 20-30bb, your range doesn't include QJs.
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03-21-2012 , 01:34 AM
Imagine you started with $570. Would you raise $100 with QJs, and then call off another $100 OOP?

I think villain had KK+ and was trying to induce you to shove pre.
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03-21-2012 , 02:00 AM
To answer your question no. But you got your wish so call and cross your fingers. Go play a $50 tournament or something
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03-21-2012 , 02:08 AM
So let me get this straight. You put in 1/3 of your stack preflop, flop top pair, and now are wondering if folding might be correct?
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03-21-2012 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by yodachoda
I make it $10 with QJ in MP. He makes it $20 from the CO. Folds to me. I have $47 behind. I flat with the intention of stacking off with top pair or any decent draw. Pre and post flop plan ok?
Hate the plan for the flop. Absolutely hate it. Here is why:

1) Most of the time you're going to fold, and the amount of the call is a large percentage of your stack.

2) Even if you think he has hands like AK in his range, the only way you extract value from AK is if you flop top pair, AND he shoves the flop, AND he misses his overcards on the turn and river. Not only that, but you could flop a draw, stack off, and lose to unimproved AK. Meanwhile, if he has QQ+ you are going to be stacking off to him way behind every time you hit top pair.

It seems like this plan sets you up to call off your stack when you are at best (and sometimes) a moderate favorite and at worst (and often) a big dog, or to miss, fold, and give up a large percentage of your stack. I would only use it if I thought my opponent's range was weighted to hands like TT/99 or bluffs, and even then I'd want deeper stacks.
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03-21-2012 , 04:06 AM
don't open with qj that short! fold to 3 bet. the way played, shove the flop.
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03-21-2012 , 12:38 PM
Why are you playing so short yoda?

I never play with less than 100 BBs so I'm no shortstacker, but my guess is we can't be opening for 1/5 of our stack in MP. I probably just limp (to fold) and go from there.

As played, postflop plan seems fine.
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03-21-2012 , 03:28 PM
The mistake is opening this hand in the first place with your stack size
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