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04-03-2014 , 10:11 PM
Table is very limpy and passive, half the table is consisting of older gentlemen who are not nits but just passive. Standard raise is extremely small 6-7$, the highest i have seen is 12$ preflop in my four orbits at the table.

Hero ($160): I have only been at the table for four rounds, have limped a few times and called one or two small raises and then folded after flop.

V1 ($350): Old man, I have seen him before and know he is somewhat nitty, probably the best opponent at the table, but that is not saying much.

V2 ($300): 35year old white guy, loose/passive, seems like he could be somewhat of a competent player. I have seen him raise three times preflop, then check flop and fold to a bet. So he does not seem to c-bet without hitting

Hand: One limper, V2(HJ) raises to $7, folds to Hero who raises to 20$ with two red 10's on the button. V1(BB)takes his time and decides to call, V2 calls as well.

Flop($60) 553

V1 & V2 check

Hero?

Last edited by Study Ace; 04-03-2014 at 10:17 PM.
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04-03-2014 , 10:20 PM
Ummmm.... 40?
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04-03-2014 , 10:22 PM
Bet $45 for value from FDs and smaller pairs

If the BB calls, depending on how he calls, I might shut down because he'll have JJ way more often than 88-99 if he's good

I don't really like 3betting TT though unless you think villain folds hands that consist of 2 overs. A loose/passive probably is just calling with all hands that are 50/50 against you but never give you value postflop, some hands that crush you that you could value own yourself against, and some hands that you crush that you won't get much value frkm
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04-03-2014 , 10:22 PM
I would bet/fold $40, then shove blank turns... but someone will tell me that's a bad play. You're facing two straightforward villains, so you're most likely getting called by 66-QQ and A5s, possibly 64 is they're that loose. I'm not quite sure what's the optimal play here.
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04-03-2014 , 10:27 PM
Call pre, bet the flop when they check to you.

AP, bet $35
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04-03-2014 , 10:35 PM
Bet $40 on the flop, ship most non club turns.
Your stack size pretty much makes this a 2 street hand.

You have $140 left on the flop on the flop.
If you bet $40, and get 1 call, pot will be $140, and you will have $100 left.
Pretty easy ship.
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04-03-2014 , 10:35 PM
I do not think its terrible to 3-bet the tens, especially because I am sure I can outplay V2 easily post flop and I am confident he would call with whatever he raised with 67s or wtv. However, I realize now that calling is probably better play

This hand wasn't too complicated, ended up betting 40$ and V1 called.

Turn came a deuce of diamonds, both checked

River came an Ace, no flush, we both checked

I figured its more likely that he has JJ QQ than 88 99 after he called the flop bet...

So well played besides call preflop instead?
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04-03-2014 , 10:38 PM
I think that's fine
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04-03-2014 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Study Ace
I figured its more likely that he has JJ QQ than 88 99 after he called the flop bet...

So well played besides call preflop instead?
Ok, do you think that he ever has XXcc after he calls?
If not, then why are you betting in the first place?
If he doesn't, then you are only getting called by better, so it's pretty bad to bet here.
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04-03-2014 , 10:54 PM
He definitely could have Axcc (most likely AJs+), but I figured he might be more likely to raise with a hand like that on the flop.

I definitely think he could call me with a medium pocket pair on the flop, did not think he would continue to call more on later streets, thats why i stopped betting

I also do not really want to give free cards to either player, I would rather win the pot then have any face card hit on the turn...
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04-03-2014 , 11:45 PM
Grunch: seems like a pretty standard cbet...

Preflop: I'm ok 3 betting TT. You said v2 has been raising a decent amount. Usually loose passive players will call 3 bets way too often. I'd be shocked if either had Aa/KK.
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04-04-2014 , 01:43 AM
I agree with APD I'd normally call pre, but 3-betting is OK.

Flop c-bet looks good. I think you should bet the turn, but understand your reasoning.

But here's the thing.

You're almost certainly making a mistake on turn and/or river.

I'll put it this way:

If you can't value bet the turn, then you should definitely bluff the ace river. $120. (edit - er just ship whatever is left, noticed stack sizes)

I mean, you're in position here, so use it when it checks to you.

Last edited by Willyoman; 04-04-2014 at 01:50 AM.
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04-04-2014 , 01:51 AM
I mean, having him show up with JJ at showdown is a disaster.

You should not be letting him showdown here. This is about as clear of a bluff opportunity as you ever have.
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04-04-2014 , 01:59 AM
This but we flat pre and flat a c-bet/ bet when checked to. Set up a ship on the.river if.2 scary overs don't hit (paired JJ - KK. Turn river might be a ship).

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04-04-2014 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
I mean, having him show up with JJ at showdown is a disaster.

You should not be letting him showdown here. This is about as clear of a bluff opportunity as you ever have.
+1000000
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04-04-2014 , 07:23 AM
wily I don't think villain folds JJ enough for that bluff to be profitable
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04-04-2014 , 12:18 PM
He won the pot with JJ and stated that he would have called an allin on the river if I bet...

Not sure if that is results oriented or not, but I figured he wouldn't fold, plus his only other hands besides a pocket pair in his range were Axcc
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