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06-14-2017 , 02:43 PM
V1 ($300): 60ish white guy, playing pretty passively and not particularly loose or tight. No substantial reads as I just sat down 30 mins prior.

V2 ($325): 45ish white guy, doesn't seem like a reg, playing very loose passive and easily seeing >50% of flops.

Hero ($375): 30ish white guy, sat down about 30 minutes ago and while I haven't played too many hands, I am the only one who has made decent sized PFRs. Probably 3-4 $15ish PFRs into a couple of limpers. Took down all of the pots w/ c-bets. I'm also the youngest player by far (V2 is probably second youngest)

Pre-flop: V2 raises to $7 UTG. I call from MP w/ 55. V1 calls in SB.

Flop ($20): 35T. V1 bets $10, V2 calls, Hero???
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06-14-2017 , 03:47 PM
Not small enough to let high diamonds peel profitably and not big enough to get called only by better.

$40 imo.
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06-14-2017 , 07:29 PM
I like a raise in this situation also. See how people react and charge the people with a single high diamond. $40-$45.
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06-15-2017 , 01:03 AM
A passive player lead out? I prefer to call here. If a non-diamond comes and they check to me I'm leading out for $40. By not raising I've kept the pot small so I should be able to call a reasonable turn bet to try and fill up on the river.
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06-15-2017 , 01:55 AM
Raise to 40-50. You don't want players with hands like AK or KQ or even QJ sticking around for $10. If they're going to peel anyway make them pay for it. I don't think many players will credit you with the flush so you'll get called by worse (namely overpairs, TPGK, good flush draws, possibly 66-99, and 33). Someone could have a flush already but it's not particularly likely as there are only 45 combos of diamonds out of 1081 combos on a 3-diamond flop, and many of these will have been dropped pre-flop due to the raise. Also there's 3 combos of TT. I'd estimate you're behind about 20-25 combos. Note just counting the non-flush TP hands and overpairs there are 72 combos. If we add in 66-99, 33, and the one card Q+ flush draws there are 139 combos. Some of the one card flush draws and underpairs will fold but we're still ahead of way more than we're behind, so build a pot.

Last edited by Shai Hulud; 06-15-2017 at 02:10 AM.
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06-15-2017 , 09:20 PM
Thanks for the feedback...

Hero raises to $35. V1 calls, V2 calls.

($120) Turn: 3510 9

V1 checks, V2 checks, Hero?
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06-15-2017 , 09:34 PM
$60/fold
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06-16-2017 , 12:17 AM
Check, evaluate on the river.
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06-16-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Joey913
Thanks for the feedback...

Hero raises to $35. V1 calls, V2 calls.

($120) Turn: 3510 9

V1 checks, V2 checks, Hero?
Yeah that's exactly the problem with raising too small in a multiway pot. You're pricing in V1 and V2 with their draws. V1 has express odds of 75:25 or 3:1. Once V1 calls, V2 has express odds of 100:25 or 4:1 so he is correctly calling with many draws as well as made hands.

Anyway, the 9 is not a bad card for you, though not the best. The only hands it significantly improves are T9 and 99, and slightly improves A9dx and maybe K9dx.

At this point V1 probably does not have a flush and V2 almost certainly does not. You are likely ahead so bet for value. Bet size is tricky...You don't want to set yourself up to fold when a diamond hits the river, so I'd bet the pot, hopefully folding out the 1-card flush draws, then shove any non-diamond river.

@rus5267 -- why check here?
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06-16-2017 , 12:45 AM
Raisy daisy on the flop. Could make a full pot sized bet of 70, but probably don't need to get that crazy, I'd go 50.

Turn - BET, no way you should check after they check. You almost certainly have the best hand right now and there is at least one person fishing for a fourth diamond. Make it 80-100 as played. (You can fold to a chk/shove)

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06-16-2017 , 02:47 AM
Our raise got called in two spots, so I feel a flush is likely here. I think the best line is to take a free card and keep the pot small. By keeping the pot small we can call a river bet even if we don't fill up. I don't fault betting here and would bet here some of the time for balance if I was playing with a bunch of regs.
When we raised the flop we put in the bet I would have put in on the turn.

Last edited by rus5267; 06-16-2017 at 02:49 AM. Reason: further explaination
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06-16-2017 , 03:15 AM
Flop - raise to $50

As played, turn bet $75
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06-16-2017 , 02:50 PM
So... Hero bets $45, V1 calls, V2 calls (looking back this was too small a bet)

River ($155) 35T 9 3

V1 checks, V2 bets $55, Hero?? Is this a trivial shove?
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06-16-2017 , 03:00 PM
Hand is well played aside from small sizing. Yes it is a trivial shove.
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06-16-2017 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Hand is well played aside from small sizing. Yes it is a trivial shove.
+1

Bigger sizings - you're not trying to price them in
Now shove - if he has better it's a cooler.
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06-16-2017 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Joey913
So... Hero bets $45, V1 calls, V2 calls (looking back this was too small a bet)

River ($155) 35T 9 3

V1 checks, V2 bets $55, Hero?? Is this a trivial shove?
River card is okay for you (not as good as the 3 but whatever). You lose to exactly 7 combos, so yes, shove. V2 has a better full house or quads sometimes but there are also two pair combos he might bet/call the river here. He might even feel a hand as weak as AT is good. But anyway, the pot is large (should be larger but you bet small), so it's okay if you're losing over half the time.
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06-16-2017 , 07:28 PM
See I get nervous when the passive players start betting. V2's bet looks like a blocking bet to me. Without being there, it is going to come down to what I think V2 does with a flush. If I think he calls a shove, I shove. If I think he folds a flush I call and hope V1 calls too.
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06-16-2017 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rus5267
See I get nervous when the passive players start betting. V2's bet looks like a blocking bet to me. Without being there, it is going to come down to what I think V2 does with a flush. If I think he calls a shove, I shove. If I think he folds a flush I call and hope V1 calls too.
I can't see most players folding a flush here. If V2's bet is actually a blocking bet, then he doesn't want to be raised, so he does not have the nuts and probably not the second or third nuts. It looks like he might have a small flush that doesn't want a raise but will probably reluctantly call one.
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06-16-2017 , 09:21 PM
Well if V2 is consciously making a blocking bet he made it with the intention of folding to a raise. I don't think shoving is wrong. I don't think it is trivial though. It could be more +ev to call and give V1 a silly price to call behind us. Clicking back a min-raise could be interesting too. Pretty much the only action I'm not considering here is folding unless V2 exhibits such a strong tell I'm certain they have one of the 7 hands that beat us.
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06-19-2017 , 03:17 AM
Ez shove obv. Results?

P.S. I kind of like your turn bet if you're planning to bet/fold, as we should expect Vs to play fairly straightforward here and it could get them to peel lighter albeit with decent odds. Betting bigger for protection is also okay but is also not getting called by worse hands fairly often. Does anyone like this LOT?
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06-19-2017 , 06:23 AM
Thanks for all the feedback...

Spoiler:
Hero shoves. V1 actually calls with Qhigh flush and V2 ends up folding.
V1 played way too passively and it cost him.
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06-19-2017 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Joey913
Thanks for all the feedback...

Spoiler:
Hero shoves. V1 actually calls with Qhigh flush and V2 ends up folding.
V1 played way too passively and it cost him.
About what I expected. Looks like that was in fact a blocking bet by V2. I wonder what he had to bet/fold there...maybe a baby flush? Did he think about it much before folding?
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06-19-2017 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
About what I expected. Looks like that was in fact a blocking bet by V2. I wonder what he had to bet/fold there...maybe a baby flush? Did he think about it much before folding?
Yes he thought about it for a little bit, but as the initial raiser I don't think he had baby diamonds. I'm thinking something like JJ, QQ or AT, but after this hand, I thought he played pretty fishy so I really don't know.
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