This hand was posted several months ago and it was suggested i wait and repost as a PAHWM.

Hero is a 30s WG ($370). Normally seen as LAG to the regs, but my image for this hand is undoubtedly squeaky tight as i've been card dead for the last 90 minutes or so and haven't had many chances to get involved in a lot of pots.

V1 old white guy who i'm unclear if he speaks english (UTG -$200): Loose and limps 95% of his hands while raising the top of his range to $5 pre regardless of position or amount of people already in the pot. He's a level 1 thinker and leads every hand that he catches a piece of. I've seen him 3 barrel gut shots, TPMK, flush draws, etc.

V2 young white kid (MP2- $300): loose/passive PF but i perceive him to be pretty skilled post flop. I've seen him bet for thin value, both raise and check raise strong draws and fold top pair type hands that normal 1/2 Vs will pay off.


1/2 NL

5 limpers to hero who checks J6 in bb (sb folds)

Pot: $13
Board: JJ3
Hero?

$3 (1/3rd the pot). We have a decent hand, probably best, but we dont really want to explode the size of the pot because if a lot of money goes in we are probably in really bad shape. This is a pretty dry board, with only a flush draw to worry about (8 outs), so we are already pricing them out with a small bet. Betting tiny also improves our chances of getting called by pocket pairs or ace high. And while we probably don't want to bet a lot of hands other than Jx in this situation, in a heads up or three handed pot we'll want to stab for a small sizing with many hands and so naturally we have to bet our big hands the same way.

Lead for $10 sometimes and check/call sometimes. This is a good spot to balance your OOP range, if you have been aggressive then check, if passive then lead. It's a good spot to make a big relative bet because villains won't see $10 as a big bet.

You will probably want to slow down at some point. Your hand is strong but your kicker is weak, reasonably good villains willing to play for stacks likely have a better JX. But at this point you can get called by a lot of flush draws and misc pairs.

I lead out when I hit like this for $10. Not sure if this is a 3 barrel hand or not, either I go 2 barrels or 3 small barrels on brick-ish runouts.

I bet 15 - people are willing to speculate wide when the bets are small, even if it's large relative to pot size. I expect to get called by most pocket pairs and flush draws. I'm planning to 3 barrel vs old man and 2 barrel vs kid if we get hu to turn. If it goes 3+ ways to turn we need to slow down

Edit - on second thought maybe 10 is better to keep in 44-TT more often

Grunch

Lead the flop 30-40%. It's a limped pot so we can't really expect anyone to lead this for you.

Small sizing because it's bone dry and multiway. We have kicker problems so we don't want this running away from us.

Anything less than a PSB is throwing a lot of money down the drain. I will likely bet $15 because it’s easier, it’s more but won’t be noticed by anyone, and it’s easier to make $15 look like an unthought out bet vs. $13. Betting less than $10 is a bad play in my opinion. I can’t think of a viable reason to not fire away in this spot.

The only conceivable reason to slowplay here is if we thought that there was more value to be had in getting two streets from someone who turns a pair, as opposed to charging any possible flush draws (and pocket pairs) starting right now.

If we don't think that, then a bet is in order. I might go $12 or $15.

More of a standard lead at lower stakes, since villains make some bad calls. In tougher games, check becomes favored again, hero can get punished by more discerning opponents and who recognize range disadvantage of hero. And playing fairly cautiously when called, we normally don't want to go 3 streets of valur with no kicker.

I'm leading flop for $8-10. I also disagree with the first reply's perspective that if the pot gets big we are in horrible shape here.

Depends what we consider a big pot but this is about the worst value hand we can bet multiple streets with.

I’m getting called for $8-10, $20-25, and $40-45 by middle/low PPs, A3, etc. some portion of the time.

Hero is a 30s WG ($370). Normally seen as LAG to the regs, but my image for this hand is undoubtedly squeaky tight as i've been card dead for the last 90 minutes or so and haven't had many chances to get involved in a lot of pots.

V1 old white guy who i'm unclear speaks english (UTG -$200): Loose and limps 95% of his hands while raising the top of his range to $5 pre regardless of position or amount of people already in the pot. He's a level 1 thinker and leads every hand that he catches a piece of. I've seen him 3 barrel gut shots, TPMK, flush draws, etc.

V2 young white kid (MP2- $300): loose/passive PF but i perceive him to be pretty skilled post flop. I've seen him bet for thin value, both raise and check raise strong draws and fold top pair type hands that normal 1/2 Vs will pay off.


1/2 NL $250 effective I cover

5 limpers to hero who checks J6 in bb (sb folds)

Pot: $13
Board: JJ3
Hero checks, V1 bets $23, MP1 folds V2 calls, CO folds, B folds, Hero ?

If I actually think V2 is good postflop, I might consider folding here, and if I called, I would proceed with extreme caution on the turn.

I'm less worried about V1's overbet than V2's call. As described, we have a pretty good hand to try slowplaying against V1. But V2 just called an overbet out of position (both absolute and relative). If he has Jx, even his weaker Jx should have us outkicked.

I would only consider calling here just to see if V2 shuts down on the turn after seeing someone else call. But in general, with the reads given, I don't like this spot.

V2's calling of an overbet makes me less enthusiastic about the situation. But if V2 is thinking also he knows that V1 can be betting a wide range of garbage and that opens up V2's calling range.

Call and see what happens on the turn.

V2 should really only overcall Jx here. If our read is correct (skilled post flop) we can fold here. However the chances of me doing so in the heat of battle are slim, so I likely sigh call and fold to any significant turn action unless we bink.

Hero is a 30s WG ($370). Normally seen as LAG to the regs, but my image for this hand is undoubtedly squeaky tight as i've been card dead for the last 90 minutes or so and haven't had many chances to get involved in a lot of pots.

V1 old white guy who i'm unclear speaks english (UTG -$200): Loose and limps 95% of his hands while raising the top of his range to $5 pre regardless of position or amount of people already in the pot. He's a level 1 thinker and leads every hand that he catches a piece of. I've seen him 3 barrel gut shots, TPMK, flush draws, etc.

V2 young white kid (MP2- $300): loose/passive PF but i perceive him to be pretty skilled post flop. I've seen him bet for thin value, both raise and check raise strong draws and fold top pair type hands that normal 1/2 Vs will pay off.


1/2 NL $250 effective I cover

5 limpers to hero who checks J6 in bb (sb folds)

Pot: $13
Board: JJ3
Hero checks, V1 bets $23, MP1 folds V2 calls, CO folds, B folds, Hero calls

Pot: $82
Board: JJ38
Hero checks, V1 bets $25, V2 calls, Hero?

This is interesting to me because of the V descriptions in the hand. Against standard fit or fold V’s I can actually fold the flop action and not worry too much about it. Against these two V’s I can see a logical line in calling down. AP i’m Calling the $25 OTT and trying to boat up. Will call another small bet on river w/o the boat. Leading with a boat.

So at this point, because V2 called, I'm comfortable removing from his range any Jx with a high kicker.

That being said, it is kind of gross that he is calling again. What does he put us on? If he thinks we have a flush draw, he's just calling $25 allowing us to draw?

It's hard for me to imagine that V2 really likes this spot unless he has a boat and doesn't care whether we call or raise. If we were deep enough to raise/fold, I'd actually consider turning my hand into a bluff here (maybe V2 folds J9/JT after we come over top), but I don't want to raise with these stacks.

Again, this assumes that V2 is actually good, and therefore that our flop overcall should set off alarm bells for him. This sizing, I feel, puts us in a tough spot: it's cheap to call and proceed, but at the same time, it's hard to imagine we are going to be happy with the river action all that much.