My image is more taggy than ever having only turned over huge hands
500 eff stax
V1 is in sb and is pretty much tight passive and bad, but tight
V2 is splashy capable young guy who has been here a few orbits and can read hands and play, he's in mp
Random opens to 10 utg, 4 callers to me OTB and I call w 10,10sc (I should prob 3b but I don't mind taking a flop here)
Flop 6s 8h 9h pot 65
Mp random bets 10, v2 calls, I make it 55, V1 cold calls out of SB ?????, v2 calls quickly and were 3 way to the turn
Turn 8c (225)
V1s very inexperienced and tight passive, I felt he was huge here???, it checks to me and I check back...(for pot control and because I think I might be behind)
River pairs the 9 for a final board of
6s 8h 9h 8c 9s
V2 now bets 120
Are we bluff catching w 10s??? Pretty sure he would have reraises his made hands on the flop after i make it 55... I'm not sure what to make of v1s range but he's now checked 2 streets so I suppose he was drawing?
If so, looks like the pfr whiffed and MP (random) is taking a stab with something weak. I guess you are deep enough to raise this w/o getting committed, if you think there is value in it. Your raise isn"t much bigger than the bet you probably would have made if everyone had just checked to you. But if you are raising for value (i.e. charging draws), then I think you need to follow up on the turn while there is value to be had. A half pot b/f, with the plan to check the river/fold to any bet is the way I would handle it. I really don't like checking the turn and inducing bluffs that I can't call on the river. Given your read of V2 (he has some aggression) and his play in the hand so far, he has to have a busted draw some portion of the time, so I don't think calling can be too big a mistake, if one at all.
As for preflop, a 3-bet will put you in a similar situation to the 99 PAHWM, except that you don't have the FE that Hero has in the 99 hand. A random UTG's raising range is probably pretty tight, and he may not fold any of it to your 3-bet. Your equity when called is not going to be great, and there isn't going to be much value against his range for flatting your 3-bet (I assume something like JJ-QQ, AK, AQ). When an ace flops, he is just as likely to have it as not, so you are basically building a big pot that you aren't going to be able to take away all that often and probably won't get able to get to showdown to see unless Villain totally shuts down.
i had a whole explanation typed out but i hit the back button and im not going to retype it because I feel this is a pretty easy fold.
I love what aj renni said that you should bet the turn and fold to anything after that, your check on turn opens it up for a bluff that you cannot call on the river, especially when a 9 comes. your 10's are probably the 2nd best hand here as someone prob missed flush draw. you think that v1 "could be huge here" and hes left to act behind you on the river, waiting to check raise with the goods if v2 doesnt have them already. gotta fold. 5 people saw the flop and 2 called the flop action, 8 or 9 is clearly in their range, more likely someone made a call on flop with top pair, with maybe a gutshot like 10-9, or middle pair with openender, 8-7, very obvious i know but it fits so perfectly. 120 on the river doesnt look like a bluff to me honestly, even tho you say v2 is capable and hes sensed weakness with you and v1 checking. looks like i ended up retyping a lot anyway..
