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07-24-2011 , 11:05 AM
This is my first post so bear with me.

I'm playing 1/2 NL. I have $100 and villain has me covered.

Preflop:

I have 87, five people limp into the pot.

Flop:

T95

Three players to my right check. I bet $10. Villain to my left calls. One player to my right calls, everyone else folds.

Turn:

A

Player to my right checks. I bet $20. Villain calls. Player to my right folds.

River:

3

I'm first to act and I ?????
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07-24-2011 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 76s
I'm first to act and I ?????
Check, then fold.

Last edited by chopstick; 07-24-2011 at 11:09 AM. Reason: Nicer answer.
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07-24-2011 , 11:08 AM
Buyin for 200 and fold pre?
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07-24-2011 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by chopstick
Check, then fold.
I saw your original response. You don't need to sugar coat it for me.

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Originally Posted by acecatcher26
Buyin for 200 and fold pre?
Max buy-in is $100 otherwise I would go for $200. I didn't fold preflop because there were three limpers in front of me. Plus I generally play tight preflop however, I limp in with less than ideal cards once in awhile because I don't want to appear too nitty but your point is well taken.
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07-24-2011 , 11:53 AM
What's our position?

If I bet this turn I'm inclined to toss in our last 70 on this river. I probably check flop and c/f after.
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07-24-2011 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by abgtr
What's our position?

If I bet this turn I'm inclined to toss in our last 70 on this river. I probably check flop and c/f after.
I'm to the immediate right of cut-off. Villain is cut-off.

Thanks for your input. Critique on the entire hand is great and I'm especially curious how many people would take a stab at the pot on the river or just check it.

Last edited by 76s; 07-24-2011 at 12:13 PM.
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07-24-2011 , 12:31 PM
Villain's turn call tells you that he is not afraid of you having a flush, or that he holds ~Kc and is trying to overflush you. Either way, the river just ruined any final shove attempt you could make.
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07-24-2011 , 12:57 PM
check, hope for a check in return, if he bets you insta-fold.
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07-24-2011 , 01:02 PM
Playing small connecters/SCs with 50bb is generally a -EV play as you have pretty poor implied odds. You should be putting at little money into the pot until you hit, so c/f is the proper line here.
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07-24-2011 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Calad
Playing small connecters/SCs with 50bb is generally a -EV play as you have pretty poor implied odds. You should be putting at little money into the pot until you hit, so c/f is the proper line here.
I understand your point. Like I mention above I generally fold starting hands like 87o. However, from time to time I play this sort of stuff otherwise people really start to take notice that I'm folding a lot of hands preflop and it kills later action for me.

On the flop three people check to me so I figure I'll semibluff and if I hit a non- straight and some how it goes to show down that's great. People might notice that I bet without a made hands and give me action later on.

The turn is a scare card for quite a few weaker holdings. I'm pretty much done with the straight draw so I throw in a bluff.

So far my play is out of line from my typical play but that has been my plan from the start.

The river is a scary card for a lot of made hands in my humble opinion. If I face a big bet on the river holding two pair, a set, or even a low flush like 87 I'm likely folding.

So the real question is who takes a stab at the pot hoping to get a made hand to fold because the board is pretty scary for anybody except those holding K Q and maybe J? If so how much gets the job done? Or who gives up and checks on the river?
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07-24-2011 , 03:54 PM
I never expect anyone to fold @ 1-2... Also, I don't like semi-bluffing SDs with FDs on board. Especially in a multiway pot. Just play like a proper short stack and know you have an edge because most players aren't that patient.
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07-25-2011 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Lido
I never expect anyone to fold @ 1-2... Also, I don't like semi-bluffing SDs with FDs on board. Especially in a multiway pot. Just play like a proper short stack and know you have an edge because most players aren't that patient.
This guy has it right. Honestly people at 1/2 really don't pay enough attention to how many hands you are playing, and if they are you probably aren't gonna be winning much money from them anyways.

Your bet on the flop is DECENT considering the pot seemed orphaned and you hoped to take it down plus you have equity to hit, but once the turn comes and flush completes your equity is basically zero and as such you should give up the pot. A bluff should never be "just because" or to "balance your play" because in the end it ends up as spew anyways. The only bluffs you should ever make is ones with equity (aka semi bluffs like the one you made on the flop)
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07-25-2011 , 06:00 AM
Do you think that your opponents are the type to bet a flush draw on the flop, or are they going to check/call with it? If the latter, then semibluffing your straight draw looks worse to me.

Regardless, I think you have to give up on the turn versus two opponents.
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07-25-2011 , 06:46 AM
YOur biggest mistake is trying to steal a pot 5way in a super drawy flop.
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07-25-2011 , 05:57 PM
Thanks for all the input.

Results:

I check, villain checks and shows down AQo with no clubs.
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07-25-2011 , 08:51 PM
Check flop. Its a small pot, its not likely we can bluff all 5 people and we don't want to get raised off our draw.

As played, give up on turn vs two players.

As played, definitely give up on river.
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07-27-2011 , 06:12 PM
Yeah my advice to you don't bet draws out of posistion. Do not bet a straight draw with a flush out there on turn! Make sure all bluffs you do are also in posistion! You bluffing in this spot is what I would call (bluffing blind) you don't know if first guy who checked has a flush and trapping you and you don't know if guy behind has already landed flush! Another side note in lower games like 1/2 alot of people like the guy who check will never bet their hands so don't be the donk who bets for them!!! Good luck
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07-27-2011 , 06:34 PM
What?
You've got nothing. Why even bet the flop and turn? Now you've got $32 in the pot or 32% and fold giving the money to some other dudes to spend them. I don't get it. Did you think the $10 flop bet will get you folding equity? or the $20 turn bet was for some hidden purpose?
If you do this play two more time you've got to rebut another $100 and need to get lucky to get back to even for the night

AX,
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