Hero 370 I have a solid image but no definitive style, I like to vary my play based on my opponents

Villain 300 I have only played with him once, he likes to chase draws, doesn't seem to know odds but can be scared off by big bets

Folds to hero who limps in with 8♡8♧ in Co
Villain raises to 15 on the button
BB calls
Hero calls

Flop 9♡5♡3♤(45)
BB checks
Hero bets 35
Villain snap calls
BB folds

Turn 10♢(115)
Hero bets 50 (my standard bet here would be like 85 but I felt there was a lot of flush draws in his range and did not want to scare him off)
Villain calls quickly

River 8♤(215)
Hero value bets 100
Villain thinks a minute and then pushes
Hero?

Snap call

If he had QJh then its aids

I'm not really sure where the confusion is coming from; his button raising range in a limped pot could be quite wide. With no other information than what is supplied, I would place his range as 77+, A9s+, J10s+, K10os+.

Given the flop, I would narrow this range down to 99+, Axhh, J10hh+.

Considering the snap call on the turn, I would further narrow his range to an overpair, 99, 1010, A10hh, QJhh, KJhh.

You are ahead of the majority of this range, so when the 8 peels on the river, the only hands that improved are QJhh. Everything else remains a single pair or a flopped/turned set. Since we are ahead of 75%+ of this range, I'd snap.

I would definitely be raising pre flop never limping with 88.. You want to make a raise to try to narrow the field and bloat the pot a little bit so you have something if You hit a set.. I like flop bet. Turn - whatever that 50 bet will do a 85 90 bet will do the same he's either calling or not.. River u r sorta pot commuted now being that you already have more than 50% in pot and your getting 5:1 on calling his shove but I can't find him shoving here with anything you beat unless he has like 9 10 and thinks 2 pair is good he could have jq suited and runner runner a straight that would explain snapping flop and turn and shoving river... I honestly don't know if I'm callin or folding lol good post looking forward to seeing others input

Thanks everyone, I did call quickly and I felt it was the right call, I will post the result later on, still want to see if anyone has anything else to say

You have a set and are getting 5:1 to call on the river. You can't fold. You beat overpairs, two pairs, smaller sets, and busted flush draws (all of which can shove on the river). Obviously, you lose to the backdoor straight or maybe a larger set.

If you want to keep the pot smaller, I think check/call on the river is fine. It also keeps in more bluffs.

The donk bet is pathetic. A decent player will raise you 100% of the time. 200% of the time. I would raise with a fake British accent. "Here here, my cheeky fellow. Make it 120 pounds sterling. What say you?"

I'm not sure what to think about the river. If I were villain, I would be thinking, this whole thing smells like a set. Which, ironically, it is. You turned your bluff into a hand, eh? So anyhow, if villain has a brain, he has to think you're on a set a lot. Problem is, villain doesn't have a brain. So....

Look. You can play 88 like a big pair (raise pre, cbet) or a small pair (limp/call, flop or drop) but don't confuse the two. That way you won't get so lost in the hand.

Thanks everyone as I said earlier, I snapped called and the villain showed up with Q♧J♧
But I still felt it was right to call given odds and range
Thanks again

Honestly I probably check/call the river. He's going to make a fair share of two pair hands and/or valuebet for you a decent portion of the time. But the main reason is your saying your sizing the turn in such a way because you think he has a tonne of flush draws. Well the draw whiffed, so why not give him a chance to misplay those draws?

Pre I'm ok with limping. Otf if I think v missed I'm going to c/r not donk bet.

As for river I disagree with the ranges posted above. I think river raises are much more polarized. I don't see players calling down overpairs and raising the river and few low stakes players raise rivers as bluffs.

This is usually a slow played set or a hand that improved OTR. We block 8x 2p hands so it's straights (usually 67hh or QJhh), bluffs and sometimes T8hh Getting these pot odds it's a call but I do expect to be beat a fair amount of the time.

Edit 8h in our hand so less riveted 2p combos likely.

Don't forget about 67hh,67, you have to include that. Your ahead of the majority of his range on the river but also the majority we are not ahead of 75% of his range because his entire range isn't shoving over our triple barrel river bet.

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I'm all for limping in PF with PPs to create multiway pots, but after it's folded to you in LP you ought to raise here.

Flop seems fine.

Turn should be a normal sizing for a double barrel. You said the V doesn't understand odds and like to chase, so this is the perfect spot to exploit this tendency.

OTR I'm torn. A villain that's afraid of big bet shouldn't be shoving here with 2 pair. Bur standard is obviously to call.

Ok. I will give you credit for understanding why you get reads on your opponents. You just didn't use that information correctly.

Calling stations are operating on the level of a lab rat. They know if they keep pressing that lever, eventually they get a treat. They plan to press that lever (see the flop) a lot if times. They know they need to spend as little as possible each time, so their little stack lasts as long as possible. So don't expect them to raise pre.

It worked out this time. But your expectation in limping is that this guy limps behind. And by the time the flop rolls around he has called $40, instead of $100 if you come in for a raise.

1. Play better hands, and bet big.

When that 8 fell on the river, you should be thinking, "oh ****! Now what do I do?"

In theory, you now have the exact hand you've been representing all along, allowing a thinking opponent to play perfectly against you.

This villain is not a thinking player, but you have an even bigger problem.

He got there.

These guys play big hands for big jackpots. They are drawing to flushes and straights.

2. Don't pay them off when they get there.

Normally this would be a check/fold, except you beat too many big pair/2p sorta hands, so you have to call.

But don't fool yourself about betting for value. Somebody gets value from that bet, but it ain't you.