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1/2 NLH Spot, AQo on button 1/2 NLH Spot, AQo on button

03-22-2014 , 09:56 PM
Villain 1 MPprobably 130bb behind
Villain 2 MP 17bb
Hero 150+bb Button

Villain 1 - pretty splashy, early in session I made a call w AQ high vs his river overbet for a split pot, so he is definitely aggressive and not all passive. He does limp/play way too many hands but also has a range for raising 77+ etc. Demonstrated he will call raises OOP etc. He seems to be somewhat thinking, but doesn't understand ranges or equity.

Villain 2 - Loose-passivey wide range

Villain 1 raises to $7 in MP, V2 flats, Hero re-raises to $30 w AQ, V1 calls, V2 shoves for $34 total, Hero calls $4, V1 calls $4.

Flop 237 Pot = $100ish

V1 leads for $20
Hero should?

I will continue with turn and river after some discussion on flop play

also should mention, V1 doesn't have a big fold button. I would say his fold to a reraise here would be approx 15% or less. MAYBE 20%, but that's pushing it. also should be noted earlier in session it seemed like the guy plays his FD passively
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03-23-2014 , 03:24 AM
preflop, you should raise to $20 ($13 more), which lets V2 re-open the action by raising $14 more.

V1's flop bet is irritating, I would just fold though as he's likely to barrel later streets and you have A-high with only 4 really good turn cards.
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03-23-2014 , 09:55 AM
I absolutely hate these spots. You never know if villain realizes he's betting into a dry side pot and that any kind of bluff would be a mistake. You have to estimate your outs here. You could also have the best hand, so I think maybe 6 is right, getting 6:1 on a call? I think given potential action on future streets calling vs. folding is probably ev neutral here? When it's close like this I tend to err on the side of calling for image purposes.
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03-23-2014 , 10:05 AM
Easy fold. You missed, the pot is protected to some extent, it doesn't matter if he A2, he's beating you right now.
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03-23-2014 , 03:30 PM
You guys are kkkkkiiiiilllllllllliiiiinnnnnggggg me.

Pot is $120 and we're folding to a $20 bet?

You have V2's range completely crushed. The pot is protected in your favor, not against you.

You can flat the $20 and expect to call another small bet OTT. Even if you fold on a turn.

You can min-raise/fold the $20 and bluff at the pot, knowing that you can easily fold if he raises back at you. And you'll frequently get a free river if you want it.

V1's donk is frequently a "bet for information". Hero 3b pre so Hero's range should appear very strong. Literally the only hand we're afraid of V1 calling with is AK. All his PP he's going to hate being raised here, even if he doesn't fold them OTF.

If I had AK, I'd probably raise to $100 flat. Since we have AQo, I favor a min-raise here.

But at the very least, I'm going to call his $20 bet for LOL pot odds.
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03-23-2014 , 04:46 PM
raise less going in and then stack off after reraised by the short stack.

call the 20 and see what happens. all the next cards are scare cards for him as well as you. against less of a calling station reraise the 20
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03-23-2014 , 05:00 PM
Lol don't you love when people limp with 15 bb's? This bet is so weak that I don't even think the vill knows why he's betting it. A lot of times vill will put you on "AK" and think you missed so they throw out some **** bet trying to take it down. I would call the 20 and see what he does ott.
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03-23-2014 , 05:58 PM
Ok, so at the time I didn't properly evaluate how little FE I had and made a raise to $65. he calls. Turn is 4 Villain leads again for $20.

As played, call or raise turn?

Spoiler:
I flat turn because I put him on some type of overpair/weak unmade hand trying to take it down and raising doesn't accomplish much because his range will be heavily weighted towards pockets and I doubt he folds. at this point, flatting w infinite odds seems pretty cool


BTW, looking back at hand, I think that flatting w odds is prob the correct thing here. Expect a small bet on turn which you can again flat w odds. it seems correct to take a passive line here since raising doesn't accomplish anything and folding a pot your getting odds to call doesn't seem correct either. Folding isn't the worst I suppose, flatting isnt the worst either. Raising isn't bad either BUT it prob should be against a different player type.
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03-23-2014 , 06:11 PM
Fold now. Not sure how infinite you're odds are but his range looks a hello of a lot stronger now that he called you're raise
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03-23-2014 , 08:36 PM
back to the same problem you made a raise of 45 into a 140 pot. that is a worthless raise with any hand you could have.

you were there i wasnt but the correct play was to call the 20 or to move in.
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03-24-2014 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ineeda2
Fold now. Not sure how infinite you're odds are but his range looks a hello of a lot stronger now that he called you're raise
Fold on turn? $20-$240, wouldn't you think A or Q outs are good?
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03-24-2014 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
back to the same problem you made a raise of 45 into a 140 pot. that is a worthless raise with any hand you could have.

you were there i wasnt but the correct play was to call the 20 or to move in.
not sure I follow your second statement
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03-24-2014 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by blackluster777
Fold on turn? $20-$240, wouldn't you think A or Q outs are good?
Not after he calls our raise. 6 outs maybe.. maybe. An A could give him the straight. I doubt he has 1p and he's betting knowing his hand is going to showdown bc of the all in player
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03-24-2014 , 09:29 PM
alright. well result of hand is I call turn, river is a A spades and he shows up w AKclubs. super strange hand
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03-24-2014 , 11:37 PM
I would call the flop. A lot of times villains with a set will be happy to win a pot around $100 and will make much bigger bets than $20 because they fear the possible flush draw.

The small bets confuse me and I'd be tempted to just call them with the odds I'm getting. I wouldn't think that villain is strong.
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03-25-2014 , 12:17 AM
If villain leads small on that flop, just calls the raise and then leads the same small amount on turn, I am BOMBING on turn. We are still ahead of the all-in player's range and it just looks so strong. plus the other player's range is so weak to take that line. He just folds sooo much and almost never plays a strong hand that way
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