I'm otb in this loose 1-2 nlh game and most of the table limps to me so I limp also with 68o. Sb completes bb makes it $15 to go. BB has biggest stack at table and he is older guy ~50. Have not been here long I presume him to be a typical tight older player semi-experience.
3 players call everyone else folds to me I call as does the sb.
Flop comes 47T rb.
Sb checks. BB fires $15 again. folds to me I make it $30. Sb folds BB tanks for a bit then makes a reluctant call.
Turn 9. cha ching. He now donks $50 into me. I?
The reason I'm stuck here is cause he really seemed to perk up when the 9 hit giving me 2nd nuts.
So what should I do?

put your money in the middle if you get to the turn. Otherwise fold pf, then fold pf again, then raise his flop bet bigger.

Really? What was the point of your min raise on such a dry board ? To hit your hand and play it like a pussy?

Min raise is terrible. Why would you do that vs a nit make it standard raise.

Vs a nit I wouldn't worry about J8. Like is this a brag with second nuts for a nit.

Always rely heavily on reads untill proven otherwise. Idk what else to tell you. You made a horrible raise hit a miracle card and no
Want to fold.

sorry, he doesn't have J8 ... not the player you are describing. get it in here and hope the board doesn't pair.

u think this guy raises the bb then b/c's flop with J8?? I think ur being waaayyyy to results oriented if he shows up with J8 here.

The only problem u should have is "How do I get the rest of his money in?"

Effective stacks?

I started with $200 20 min ago. Now have like $350. He covers.

I play the same. I especially like the part where we min-raise the flop.

I like seeing flops for cheap in position with speculative hands, so I'm guessing the initial limp here with this crap hand is fine. What are the stack sizes? Even though we're getting immediate odds of 4:1 and in position, I'm assuming that we have to fold this piece of cheese to the raise unless stacks are huge?

Lol, the villain just bet $15 into a $90, wtf? Typically, I'd assume this means a very weak hand as strong hands will usually bet a lot more to protect against draws. So I'm actually cool with the semi-bluff raise once it's folded to us (and we only have the SB to act behind us) although I'd make it at least a typical 3x, probably $45 to $50, which will even give us (a) decent fold equity and (b) decent odds of 3:1 if called to chase our double gutter.

This guy shows up with 99 like 80%, a weirdly played overpair like 20% and the nuts never (an old tight guy raising J8 preflop outta the blinds, really?). Pot is $200, I'm guessing he doesn't have that much more behind unless we both started the hand deep. I shove.

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Tough spot, the 9 on the turn helps us but it also helps J8, which makes up a very large part of villains range given preflop and flop action. We should consider a min-2bet to $100 and reeval if we get 3bet

What's the point of leveling?

Isn't this thread a joke?

I just think we should give OPs the benefit of the doubt and assume it isn't, unless we notice a history of prank posts. It doesn't help other noobs to come in and see intentionally wrong advice - we all have to start somewhere.

gotta love the minraise, the live donks strongest play. you hit your hand now get the money in the middle.

So you have ~$300 behind when he bets $50? If he hasn't hit this 9 in a monster way, he'll probably fold to a shove right now if he hasn't hit a set or 9-10. He might have 8-9. Is there any flush draws out there? If so, with what cards?

I'd say raise to $170 and shove all rivers. If he has pocket 9s, he's shoving your raise anyway.

Fold pre the 1st and 2nd times. The button is not THAT valuable.

If your going to include 6-8o raise the button and make it part of your air range when you miss most of the time. In the rare case that you hit a monster and V make 9T as he likely did in this hand you can double up.

Also the local forum nit rangers won't know if it's a LEVEL.

Lock

Yes position is that valuable and the initial call with 86o is fine (though I prefer suited). When you play better post-flop than your opponent, calling a PSR in position is also fine; if stacks are deep enough and you have a real shot at getting his entire stack.

On the flop, if I added right villain bet $15 into a $90 pot and you have ~$320 left. This bet is clearly some kind of blocking bet, I would either just call, or raise it more than the min, probably to ~$55.

On the turn, as has already been said, I would be trying to figure out how to get the rest of his stack in the pot. As played, there is ~$200 in the pot (including your turn call) and you have ~$240 left. If he really did hit a set on the turn, you DO NOT want to give him a river at his price. You have just a bit more than a PSB left (after calling the turn donk).

Ship it!

Oh and if he was making a play with J8, so be it. That's why they call it gambling.

This... possible overpairs in his range but it sure looks like 99 which is a dream.

LOL @ the minraise. I love when people get the exact card they want and then get cold feet. I ship this.

You think limping the first time is a mistake? I think this hand is a perfect example of why limping crappy hands (gappers, connecters, dominated, etc.) on the button is a good example of how we can use that to win the hand (i.e. got to see villain put in a lol-I-have-a-terrible-hand bet, everyone else fold to us, etc., all of which allows us to make a well-informed decision on the flop).

You didn't include your own stack size, but I'm going to assume you aren't short stacked for my response.

Preflop: Folding from the start is smarter, but overlimping isn't a horrible play. After it's raised I would also call. You're actually in a pretty good spot now. If BB has a brain in his head he's unlikely to fire with unimproved high cards against 4 limpers (at least some of whom are loose) on the flop. When it's checked to you on the flop a bet will take down the pot about 80% of the time. And of course you may also hit your lottery ticket and flop huge.

Flop: When your opponent makes such a small bet into a large pot, I would assume he's either got something he thinks is huge and is trying to sucker people in to calling, or he's got a marginal hand that he thinks is worth betting, but doesn't want to put in a lot of money with. Against this sort of polarized range, I'd rather just call with a double gutter. If he's weak he'll likely check on the turn and you can take the pot from him then, and if he's strong you don't risk getting 4bet off your hand when you have a lot of outs.

Turn: As played on the flop, shove unless you're both super deep. You almost certainly have the best hand, and the pot is big enough that shoving won't look unnatural unless you're both sitting on $500 stacks. Even though your opponent perked up he's a lot more likely to hold other hands he'd like beside J8, and your read on his tell might be inaccurate anyway since you haven't played with him long.

Just my opinion...

i liked it better when we couldn't see hero's cards