I am in the 2 seat and have been playing and winning consistently over the night. Bought in for $300 and am sitting at around $800.

Villain is someone who lost his stack earlier in the night and left the room. He is now back a few hours later and the table lineup is much different. He is in the 10 seat. I'm getting the feeling he is annoyed that I'm winning and wants to make a move against me.

Villain is UTG and straddles
I raise to $15 with AKo. Everyone folds to Villain. He slides out a large stack of red $5 chips. Looks like around $150. I assume its an all in bet and call instantly. He looks startled when I call this fast.

I then say, "you want to show or not?" And that's when the dealer mentions he still has money behind. I then make it obvious that I thought he was all in and I was visibly upset with myself for making such a huge mistake.

Flop:
KJT rainbow.
Villain pushes all in for about $150.

Hindsight:
I probably was too tired and was making decisions wayyy to fast in this hand.

Thoughts?

so u snap call?

Obv calling flop, yeah?

I don't mind flipping for stacks with AK vs a tilted V. That said, the fact that his raise wasn't a shove makes his range stronger, imo.

What real hand would he reraise from $15 to $150 though? Even though I screwed up thinking it was all in....still - would anyone really make this move with TT+?

I had been playing aggressive, but I haven't been making big crazy calls or anything. I had just laid down AA on a KT98 board and showed a few hands earlier.

Don't tell me u tanked here snap call fist pump

No - I actually shrugged and called in about 1 second. But I just played this hand way too fast.

Wanted to get everyone else's opinions on this - mostly his pre flop range.

4bet him all in pre

as played call

let me guess he has AA JJ or TT?

TTor KJ has my vote

When he pushed flop for about $150 more I shrugged and called quickly. After board runs out, I just say I have a pair of kings and flip my cards. He mucks quickly and storms off. I have no idea what he had. Maybe small pair or maybe ATC

V bought in for 300$ and you called half his stack with AKo pre. Hit TPTK otf.

I'm cry calling.

WHY? Is $15 that important to you that you'd call what you assumed to be an all-in for 135 more? You're coin-flipping (AT BEST) here most of the time. THIS was your mistake in the hand. As played, crying call when he shoves that flop. However, I think the pre-flop call is a huge leak. In a tournament, fine. Cash game, wait for a better spot.

Youre full of ****

Which part do you have an issue with?
You think calling an all-in pre-flop for $150 is correct?
You disagree that it's usually a race?
You disagree that there will be better spots?

22 is ahead of AKo pre-flop. Even against two unpaired unders, AKo is not a HEAVY favorite. The absolute best you can hope for is that the villain is overplaying a hand you have dominated. AQ, AJ, KQ, and MAYBE KJ fall into that category, but it's a horrible shove with any of those hands. Unless villain is clearly mad at his wallet, I feel there are spots where the hero can get his money in as a bigger favorite.

He probably had Queens. Raising to 150 is super strong when he leaves money behind. I think if you saw he had another 150 I'd lean towards just folding. You're basically getting even money when you'll mostly have 43% equity and sometimes up against AA/KK.

As played shrug snap seems perfectly fine.

Fallacy. The question is, is it plus EV or not. If it is plus EV, take the spot, you can also take the more advantageous spots. It's not like a tournament where flipping is sometimes bad, because if you hit the negative side of variance you're done. It is a cash game, we can reload.

You can argue whether this spot is +EV or not, but the fact that other spots have more fat value is irrelevant.

A tilted V shoving for his 75 bigs (less than 40 given straddle) over the guy who stacked him before, I will call with AK every time, and feel great about it.

Lets look at your example of "22 is ahead of AK pre."

There is $22 in dead money in the pot. We think he's shoving for $150, making it $135 for us to call to win a pot of $307. That means we need 44% equity to call. If villain flips over 22, we instantly call, because we have 47.35% equity.

47.35% of the time we win $177 = $83.81
53.65% of the time we lose $135 = -$72.43
That means if we ran this a billion times, we would come up with a profit of $11.38 per iteration, an 8.5% ROI on our $135 investment.

And that's just if he has an under pair. With a tilted V, there are lots of hands that we dominate in his range, and with blockers there are few combos of AA and KK that he can have.

Tell me a hand with which this is not a horrible bet by villain. He is clearly spazzing a lot of the time and we have great equity with AK. Preflop should ideally be a shove but it's a moot point given remaining stacks. But yes, OP, when you are putting a lot of money in the pot, take your time, it is completely fine to ask V for his stack size and think for 20 seconds.

Before shoving.

Against 22, which I put below the bottom of v's range. There's a fallacy here, IMHO, that this is a tilted villain. I don't think a normal V is raising from 15 to 150 here with pocket twos. I'm thinking the range is closer to TT+. You're figuring equity against a SPECIFIC hand which I don't put to even be in a logical range here and ignoring the full range. Against the full range of TT-AA, AK, and MAYBE AQs, it's not nearly as good of a spot.

So, what did V have to go that big pre-flop?
I am guessing AA.

You are the one who brought up 22. I simply used it to show the fallacy of the "wait for better spot" argument. Is the spot +EV or not?

Personally, I think the range is more like 22+, AJs+, AQo+,KQs, against which we have 48.72% equity and are thus +EV, even putting in no random spazz combos.

Even if we accept your (new) range we are at 42.87% equity, which puts us a tidge below the 44% we need. If we put just two random spazz hands (not two holdings, only two specific combos) in his range, we get the equity we need, even given your main ranging.

Against your old range, we're laughing with 56.5% equity if the PPs are only TT+ and are actually less well off (more pair combos) if we go down to 22+ with 51.48%.

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If so, please learn about ranging, and also read the thread a bit more carefully.