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1/2 NL, unsure of my mistakes with Ah5h 1/2 NL, unsure of my mistakes with Ah5h

11-02-2011 , 06:24 PM
Just sat down, no reads on anyone. I'm in late position and the 4th hand in I pick up Ah 5h.

V is in small blind with a stack of 350ish
hero just came in with stack of 195, 200 max

V raises to 10, fold, fold, I call and i think the button calls

Flop comes (~36 pot)
5c Kh 2h

V cbets 15
I just call, button folds

Turn comes (~66 pot)
2s
V checks?, I count out 50 as a semi bluff bet, is this the right sizing?
V calls after thinking about it for a min.

River comes (~166 pot)
V checks again. I instantly ship my stack, ~120ish. He tanks for like 3 min while asking me what i have, going through a bunch of possible hands I might have out loud. I hope I didn't give off a tell during that time, but he ended up calling with QQ.

Thanks in advance
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11-02-2011 , 06:26 PM
What came on the river?
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11-02-2011 , 06:38 PM
How did villain raise to 10 from the sb? Did you limp in first or what happened?

I think this is a pretty standard raise on the flop when you have pair+nfd. And yes you are willing to get it in on the flop.

Once you just call the flop I like to just check behind on turn in these spots because you have showdown value against AQ/AJ type hands and you can take a free card against hands that aren't folding to a turn bet when your equity is less on the turn than it was on the flop.
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11-02-2011 , 06:51 PM
Fold pre, raise flop.
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11-02-2011 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
Fold pre, raise flop.
this+1.

villain made a good call.
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11-02-2011 , 07:16 PM
healthy raise necessary on the flop. you're in this hand to see exactly this flop. and your equity is much nicer on the flop than turn if stacks go in.
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11-02-2011 , 11:19 PM
sorry, river was a 9c

was it wrong to ship on the river?
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11-03-2011 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by j8chan
sorry, river was a 9c

was it wrong to ship on the river?
You don't rep much. You limped/called in late position. You called a K high flush with a flush draw, and then bet close to pot on turn when he checked.
Doesn't look like a set. Probably not AK with no raise pre. Maybe KQ I guess but your line seems strange, and most players at 1/2 aren't calling with KJ on the flop then almost potting the turn.

That bet on the turn gives you under a pot size bet, and allows the villain to call getting well over 2-1. Tough spot to ship the river, and I am guessing he correctly smelled out a busted flush draw. Once he called that turn, I give it up. Of course, I probably raise the flop.
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11-03-2011 , 01:00 AM
*Grunch*

Normally I would not mind playing A5s if a couple requirements are met like the pot being multi-way, deep stacks, and solid reads on opponents. So in this spot, being you just sat down with a raise in front of you I think this is a fold pre.

As played tho this flop is a dream, one of the better flops u can ask for. Now seeing as you have so much equity right now against villains range we need to raise his bet to not only get more money in the pot while our equity is good but also take control of the hand. That way if villain flats we can represent a made hand already on the turn card with a second barrel and have so much more FE. By just calling and a blank comes on the turn what are we going to represent? So raise now, take control. Call to a shove and if he flats our raise double barrel.

As played now that you took a passive line on the flop and this turn comes it really comes down to your read if you want to fire again but what story are we telling? Does villain really think this 2 helped our hand enough to raise now?

On the river now that villain called two streets and all draws missed I can't represent anything that would have improved from the turn, I am giving up.
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11-03-2011 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by j8chan
Just sat down, no reads on anyone. I'm in late position and the 4th hand in I pick up Ah 5h.
Bolded is your biggest mistake. You have no read/ no history/ not aware of the table dynamics, and trying to pull a 3 street bluff on an unknown.

The rest is just basically clicking buttons.
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11-03-2011 , 01:26 AM
raise the flop good sir! he folds then and you have equity.
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11-03-2011 , 11:45 AM
Was the flop limped or something? Don't call EP opens cold with a5s. If everyone folded to you on the button, you should raise something. PF play is hard to evaluate since it seems like you may have made a mistake with the post.

If this were a limped pot, maybe I just call on the flop, but given that he raised and then bet less than half pot, I raise the flop. There's a good chance he's just cbetting air. Even fish know to do that sometimes.

On the turn, as played, if you're going to bluff bet less. If he's not calling, you can bet like 35 or 40 into 60 and he'll fold. If he's calling, you're just bloating the pot and giving yourself worse odds on a fold.

On the river, just check. You should rarely 3barrel vs fish, and if you do it should be because the board ran off horrible (like 4 to a flush) and you have no showdown value. If he had a flush draw, your pair of 5 likely wins. If he has a king, he's never calling $50 on the turn and then folding the river. So just sigh, check, and hope you win.

Shorter answer - most 1/2 fish do not like to fold. If you're going to bluff, raise the flop. If he calls, assume he won't fold post and then just get to showdown unless you improve.

Turn wasn't a terrible idea (although a little big). But once he calls, you should be done betting (unless you improve).
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11-03-2011 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TenCount
As played tho this flop is a dream, one of the better flops u can ask for. Now seeing as you have so much equity right now against villains range we need to raise his bet to not only get more money in the pot while our equity is good but also take control of the hand.
This.

I love A-rag suited precisely for this flop.
In fact, my virgin post was on the subject and came with some really responses:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...ut-fd-1074635/

However, despite the dream flop, you just don't have anything if Villain comes along.
I raise to take the pot here (preferably getting it all in if at all possible) or, if not possible, I close down until I hit.
As you've shown, unless you demonstrate real aggression, a pure bluff is difficult...
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11-03-2011 , 12:31 PM
Pretty easy fold preflop, IMO. With Axs we want to play a multiway pot so there are many potential fish to stack; here there is only one, a raiser that if he has an A has us dominated.

I'd raise the flop. We've flopped a monster; nut flush draw + pair + an overcard. We also have great FE against big pocket pairs < K or whiffed Ax hands. I'd make a decent sized raise like I would if I was trying to protect a made hand, so to probably to $75ish, and then probably shipping the turn.

As played, we are readless, which means we have no idea if this guy is a calling station that will call off reasonable bets or not. So I probably just check behind on the turn and try to hit my hand (perhaps paying off a small bluffcatcher if whiffing the river) until my reads are better.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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11-03-2011 , 04:12 PM
thanks for all the comments
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