lol @ everyone saying idontworkhere sucks or whatever. he is spot on itt

I would have expected JThh. So notes on villain should be:

Based on this showdown and his comment you have a lot of info on this villain.

He's likely tricky and capable of floating and bluffing. With JTdd here He is thinking "i have 4 outs to the nuts and possibly 8 more to rep a flush as a bluff +back door flush / 2p+ outs."

Vs that player we are are always calling this river because he would also bluff a lot of busted draws.

Agree that larger sizing makes this specific river easier to play but I don't take the line that makes my hand easiest to play I take the line that I expect to extract the most value from villains range. Having said that, I will sometimes bet pot or even more than pot otf. But I need reads to know what v will call. Def should consider betting max amount you think will be called. C/r small to build a pot is viable but soooo many villains at 1/2 are just going to take the free card with their draws.

I don't understand the idea of check-raising at all. You can get all the money in with OP's line. Every hand that will stack off against a line that involves a check-raise is going to stack off against bet/bet/bet, plus a lot more. Plus you're going to whiff your c/r a lot because villain can check behind not only his draws, but his weak one-pair hands that want to show down.

Yeah I'm not really advocating a c/r just acknowledging it is always a consideration when we expect villain to bet and want to build a pot. Either because he was the PFR or because we know he will bet/call his semi bluffs and eff stacks would allow us to set up a turn shove while v still has equity.

I doubt villian bets turn if checked to, im sure he would sometimes but youre new to the table and hes unsure of what he turned when that 10 gives him top pair mediocre kicker so hes super likely to pot control in position... what are you going to do if he checks back with that river? now youre in a terrible spot, why allow him to make things complicated? besides results are irrelevant. As we saw villian said he would bet when checked to on the river with just a pair of tens, which I absolutely believe, and its the purpose of our line, getting fancy in an unknown table with AA of all hands is putting is in tough spots unneceserily... going bet/bet/chkcall isnt even remotely pukey or tough with these stack sizes, its standard. If deeper, by all means go for the chk/jam on turn because otherwise youre in a gross spot on the river if villian overbet shoves....

and obviously if river doesnt pair the board just fire that last barrel jam

Best line imo, get the most in otf and ott without undue suspicion. It is first hand at the table for them also, they don't know if you pot your draws, or cbets for that matter, on draw boards. But on that one it would be incentive to charge.

Reload: your vill is a fish and you're probably getting it back with interest.

If I have ( J, T ) and flop: ( 7, 8, 3 ) and put Hero on Big Slick, I fold when he pots it. I whiffed my flush draw, and have -- at best -- ten outs to beat Big Slick, and maybe seven outs if Hero has ( A, K ) and hitting a jack or ten could be ahead temporarily if an A or K drops on the river. If I had ( 7, 6 ) instead, then I call. I have a pair and am ahead of Big Slick until it either draws out, or I have some improvement.

This would be the right play only if I could range Hero's open very tightly, but that's not possible since it's literally Hero's first hand. If I had vill's hand, and am looking at a open-raise from someone who just sat down, the suited JT hits the muck without a second thought. This vill has made up his mind, and is playing like he's against Big Slick come hell or high water. He doesn't consider that Hero could have a bunch of overpairs, or Broadway cards where he can't be certain one didn't hit if a J -- A rolls off. That's how a fish plays.

OK, let's say I find a call (maybe I was drinking, which I never do anyway, but let's just say...) and bink a ten. From here, I call so long as an ace or king doesn't roll off. If that doesn't happen, the river is irrelevant. How is shoving into a Big Slick ever right here? The vill's thinking is: "Me has trips! Me shove!" He's -- at best -- a Level 1 thinker, and more likely a Level 0 player. SUX to lose a stack on your first hand, but if that didn't happen every now and then, players like this vill would be off-loading at the Craps or Blackjack tables, or masturbating the slot machines, or playing one or another of those dumbassed high vig games I pass on my way to the Poker room instead.

I'd try to sell it for what I thought I could get out of it. Maybe 1/3rd pot or even less: whatever I thought a whiffed Big Slick could bluff catch with an ace-high.

As for Hero, I hope he didn't show the pocket aces.

This is terrible advice.

obviously terrible, obviously

lol

Nice write-up, Kyuubimon.

I did not show my AA and chipped up to $300. You are right that V was a fish, he did things later in the night like called a straddle and then flat called my $50 raise with KJ from the BB after SB raised a bunch of straddles to $15 (SB had a wide raising range so I was trying to squeeze ~$30 in dead money). Unfortunately, SB actually had a hand here, AA to be exact, and stacked some other guy that limped the straddle and then shoved for $120 over my $50 and V's $50 before SB re-shoved for $350.

But alas, I did not have a better opportunity than Hand #1 at the table to get money off of this V. He played poorly most of the night but still walked out with a healthy profit and I just never had a good enough hand to play with him after that.