What?

If villain has a made hand like 2 pair, trips, or a straight, then AA can't win lol. Well I mean there's a possibility: AA beats 2 pair and trips about 4% of the time, by hitting another A, but that's a far cry from 33% lol. Lord knows where you got 33% with 1 card to come and AA vs straight/2-pair/trips

Pretty much the only way you justify calling is if you think villain is bluffing here. Pair+draw or A7 type of hands. I am not one to call half of my stack off on a turn all-in on fully textured board and cross my fingers and hope villain is bluffing (after leading into 3 players on flop!) unless he is a maniac. Lol but apparently you're all about that

I made it up obviously. Are you familiar with ranges, SPR, combinatorics, and equity calculations?

http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy...-combinations/
http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy...matics/equity/
http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy/general/spr/
http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy...yers-on-hands/

Download pokerstove and use it:

http://poker-stove.soft32.com/

What I mean is that you must have plugged in a ton of bluffing hands (anything worse than 2 pair) for villain in order to get 33% equity. Since AA is soooooo behind after turn vs anything that beats it

No, I included only 55-QQ, 89o, 89s, 67s, 67o, 57s, 57o, 56o, 56s, 34s, 34o

I don't think 99-QQ play it like this at all. Overpair to the board oop probably checks flop to see if there's fireworks that sound off the "straight" alarm. I def don't think overpair shoves oop on turn after hero's flat call on flop which is what a made straight would have done.

As I mentioned above, villains turn shove narrows his range to just about only 2 pair or better hands to me. I just don't feel like he's bluffing, esp with flop lead out. And to bet like that on flop and turn with made straight texture on the board is definitely a bluff play with 99+. those lines of play are clearly showing a lot of strength and repping something pretty good given the board... Something better than a mere pair

This is a guy that called preflop with 3/4 offsuit, and you are going to give him credit for any rational thought process on this hand? He plays 88-QQ the same and folding here is bad.

^Yeah, that

wj94 is spot on. I shove flop.

Calling the flop to fold to a turn 2 because he shoved on it is just so terrible.

An argument can be made for a flat call or a small raise, but shoving the flop is going to scare away any overpairs. You're only getting called by better in that scenario, so what's the point?

Disagree. typical 1/2 players don't fold overpairs for 70 bbs. There's a way better chance a scare card comes on the turn that kills your action than there is of him folding 88-QQ here.

A minraise makes this a $200 pot with Villain only having $55 behind. I don't think so.

I think ok points have been made for both folding and shoving. Does that mean it's likely fairly close? And thus probably fairly dependent on what we think of donker?

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Raise more.

I know this doesn't always work and we still get a multiway pot, but the bigger percentage of our stack we put in preflop with big TP/overpair type hands, the more easily we can commit on flops, even if it does go multiway.

I had a similar situation my last session out with AA at one of the loosest 1/3 NL tables I've ever played at. A couple of limpers to me on the button, where I would typically make it about ~$20 at a normal table, but at this table I made it $35. Yes, a mere 12x the BB. Anyways, I get 3 callers; lol, standard. Obviously, I didn't like the fact I got 3 callers, but each of the callers were playing only about $235 stacks (~80bbs), so these morons got in about 15% of their stack preflop. I resigned myself to the fact that if any of these guys outflopped me then they can have my stack. A notorious donker donks $30 into a $140 pot on a T95r board and is meekly called. With still one person to act behind me, ya, I'm afraid someone has flopped a set or two pair, but whatever, the pot is already $200 and every villain has <= a PSB left. So I shove. Donker calls with the monster known as overs + gutshot and the meek caller hero folds TP, and my hand holds up.

Your situation is sorta similar. The first guy who called got in >10% of his stack preflop not knowing if this was going to go multiway, so I really can't fault wanting to shove (and w makes some pretty good arguments for this). But if we simply made it $20 preflop, or $25, then our decision here would be even easier.

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