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[1/2 NL] QQ - Check this turn or fire again? [1/2 NL] QQ - Check this turn or fire again?

03-27-2019 , 12:39 PM
1/2 NL 300 Max

MP2 Hero (covers) - 30s WG. Playing true TAG. I'm entering far fewer pots than everyone else at the table. When i am playing PF, it's almost always opening for a raise or reraising. I've 3!'d this particular V pre flop with TT, AJs and KKx2. V has called every single time and then folded to a flop cbet.

UTG V (300) - MAWG. Has been playing roughly 60% of his hands. Not positionally aware. Not very sophisticated post flop. Not likely to semi bluff a draw and also unlikely to float or barrel with air. PF he's entering very light and is not folding after he's committed money with a limp or raise.


V raises to 7, folds to Hero in MP2 who 3! to $40 with QQ, folds back to V who calls.

Pot: $83
Board: J93
V checks, Hero bets 55, V calls

Pot: $193
Board: J937
V checks, Hero checks

Pot: $193
Board: J9374
V bets 65, Hero calls

Any issues here? Anyone prefer betting the turn instead of a check?
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03-27-2019 , 01:05 PM
Okay, he's not positionally aware - but he is raising here, instead of calling. This V sounds like the kind of guy that just limp-calls lots of hands, so what do you make his opening range here?

AP, I think this is mostly fine. I would have bet the river if he'd checked, but AP calling is mandatory and by far the best play. We're ahead of all of his pairs (minus KK+ which I think is unlikely) and any random bluffs (which there probably aren't many, but we're calling 65 into ~260 and getting 4:1). QQ is a great hand but no need to go crazy here. I think your line is fine and you win a lot here against jacks. I hope he didn't show up with a wacky J9. WP.
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03-27-2019 , 01:15 PM
It's frustrating when you size your pre-flop raises to discourage set-miners and they go ahead and flop a set on you anyway. So I understand.

Flop is pretty dry and H's standard c-bet seems ok. V's flat on dry board has my alarm bells going off though, but ok.

Prefer to lead turn targeting all his A-Q/J and JT/TT hands. I think H has a two-street hand here and I'd prefer to get the 2nd street of value on the turn. I don't see the point of waiting. H has so many rivers he doesn't want to see - A/K/8/T.

Call river. If he has a set, which I think he might, you get 4-1 to see it. I think he'd bluff bigger and x/c all his J combos except AJ.
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03-27-2019 , 01:15 PM
Pretty standard. The 7 on the turn is not a good card for you and going for a little pot control is fine. It isn't as bad as an ace or ten though and betting wouldn't be bad against a passive villain. On the river he is giving you such good odds you have to call with your over pair without a good read on villain.
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03-27-2019 , 01:37 PM
This is the 5th time we've 3! villain and he is not sophisticated. He isn't putting us on AA. He has a raise button as evidenced by the river. It's hard to tell from your description how passive V is though. I think the loose part is more clear. I'm not used to players calling super wide (60%) and then not betting when they hit bingo (2 pair+ or KK+). If it was a single raised pot I would be more worried about the turn 7 but in a 3! pot after being checked to twice from a non trappy player I prefer to double barrel then eval river. You say in your description once V decides to go with a hand (calls or raises flop) he wont easily fold. Why not go to value town? The only reason would be if V can have 2 pair+ here but I would expect a donk lead or a x/r before the river if that was the case since this is such a non sophisticated V. Maybe he just decided to make a stand with Jx. Let's charge him. I like b/b/eval. Our turn bet would be larger than the $65 and we likely get a feel for how strong V is by how they respond. AP we have to at least call river. I may even raise / fold to the 3! since we've mostly repped AQ+ with our line and could get calls from Jx given he's in sticky mode.

Has V ever 3! pre, has he ever raised a flop or turn bet? If so, with what?

Last edited by c0rnBr34d; 03-27-2019 at 01:47 PM.
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03-27-2019 , 02:27 PM
Bet turn obvi
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03-27-2019 , 03:05 PM
+1^

Gladly stacking off against this guy. Ck turn way too delicate.

Jam river AP.
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03-27-2019 , 03:40 PM
Bet turn!!!

As played, I'm tempted to raise the river, but not sure what he can call with. Maybe just click it back, which I usually hate, but it might entice him to call with a J.
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03-27-2019 , 06:37 PM
With weird stack size ott id bet super small and jam rivers

Ap river i’d just jam it in, our image is BS and we’ve been picking on him. Dont rly see him folding Jx vs a shove once he puts a blocker bet out
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