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1/2 NL OTB with AK. 1/2 NL OTB with AK.

01-06-2015 , 02:53 AM
Background: New to the table, up to about 300 early. Pretty much freshly opened. Do not have much of a read on any players, other than the woman on my left. Have played with her before, always buys in for 50bb and plays rather tight. Doesn't really get out of line.

This hand really stumped me. I don't usually post on here but I figured I would get some advice from you guys.

Hero has AKo OTB in seat 4. (no diamonds)

fold, fold, fold, seat 10(~200) limps, fold, seat 2 raises to 7, fold, I 3bet to 23, SB(100) calls, seat 10 calls, seat 2 folds.

Flop($76): A 2 4

Check, Check, I bet 40. SB shoves for 93. Seat 10 Shoves for 177. Hero??

Should I be folding here more often than calling? I'm not sure if AK is ever good here. Will post results once some responses come in.

Last edited by kevv2012; 01-06-2015 at 03:01 AM.
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01-06-2015 , 02:59 AM
Nice hand, now check to see if you have Kd and then fold either way.
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01-06-2015 , 03:43 AM
Both of them check/shoved on you? Yeah, letting this go. NH
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01-06-2015 , 04:27 AM
Hard to believe people would call 23 cold with any of that garbage.
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01-06-2015 , 07:16 AM
Is anyone else calling here? I expect to see ATs+, AJo+ here alot, and if they show up with A4/A2 surely they have suited broadways and possibly other flushdraws here.
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01-06-2015 , 08:03 AM
If one Villian did this, I'd sigh call and be pleasantly surprised by naked flush draws and worse AX a lot of the time (especially from a short stack). If two Villains are taking this line- one of them has almost certainly flopped a set (or possibly even the straight). In either case you're drawing dead (and aren't in good shape to 2 pair).

With reads that they overvalue top pair, this obviously changes.
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01-06-2015 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by idonkrivers
Is anyone else calling here? I expect to see ATs+, AJo+ here alot, and if they show up with A4/A2 surely they have suited broadways and possibly other flushdraws here.
With a little more info about villains, I can see your point. However I'm thinking we are up against one set, given we have a nitty SB who has called a 3b out of the small blind (her range is pocket pair heavy) and an EP raiser who made a small pot-building raise. Could be suited bways but can also be a set or 53. Its a protected pot and we have very few reads. I ditch it and keep careful notes of what each villain rolls over.

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01-06-2015 , 05:37 PM
Any reads at all? Gender, age, chip stacking, something?

Probably sigh folding here, but I think this is a call with better reads on seat 10. Flush draws/A3/A5/Ax make more sense than straights/sets/2pair from SB. Seat 10 shoving over the top seems like 2 pair or a set, but there are so few combinations of nutted hands and so many combinations of Ax that we crush. I want to call here so bad.
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01-06-2015 , 07:56 PM
If it weren't for the limper I might flat. AKo plays pretty well against a late open. We're going to have TK with either card pairing otf, that's big. The only way I'd flat otb with the limper and then the raise is if it's suited. AKs plays good enough 3-way, especially with position. And at low stakes, a 3-bet often folds out everything but setmines and other AK's.

AP, so seat 10 limp/flatted pf and then c/shoved into multiple players otf. Looks like 22 or 44 to me. You're not even that good against combo draws, and you might only be playing for a side pot. I let it go.
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01-07-2015 , 01:14 AM
You need 26.2% equity to call -> 137 /(76 + 93 + 177 + 177)

You can obviously construct ranges where it's a call:

Board: Ad 2s 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.611% 19.84% 07.77% 148710 58234.33 { AcKs }
Hand 1: 36.194% 31.46% 04.73% 235798 35474.83 { 44, 22, AJs+, A4s, A2s, KdQd, QdJd, JdTd, Td9d, AJo+ }
Hand 2: 36.194% 31.46% 04.73% 235798 35474.83 { 44, 22, AJs+, A4s, A2s, KdQd, QdJd, JdTd, Td9d, AJo+ }

They could have more flush draws in their range that makes the call even more profitable.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if their ranges are even wider.
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01-07-2015 , 10:48 PM
They can't both be bull****ting. 177 is a lot for 1/2.
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01-07-2015 , 11:20 PM
we are almost always beat in these spots. im folding.
v2 limped and called our 3bet pre then check re-shoved flop... thats a very strong line.

btw,
if i limped, v1 raises and v2 3bets.. is my call to his 3bet considered cold call 3bet?
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01-08-2015 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonanza
we are almost always beat in these spots. im folding.
v2 limped and called our 3bet pre then check re-shoved flop... thats a very strong line.

btw,
if i limped, v1 raises and v2 3bets.. is my call to his 3bet considered cold call 3bet?
If this were a poker exam, no, because of the limp. But for the purposes of ranging someone, limp/calling a 3-bet is the same as not having entered the pot yet/calling a 2nd raise.
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01-08-2015 , 09:48 PM
I'm calling here.
We don't need to be right all that often.
And I think the range that au4all gives is pretty good.
And might be too tight.
There should be a decent amount of flush draws in one or both of their ranges.

Also, bet the flop stronger.
And raise more pre for fat value.
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