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1/2 NL - JJ head up to the flop against unknown villain 1/2 NL - JJ head up to the flop against unknown villain

03-26-2014 , 05:52 AM
Been playing solid for about three hours at table, some players have found out I bet with good cards and just sticking to abc poker.

Hero $310 utg+1
V1 $350 CO

Action folds to hero utg+1 with JJ, I make it $20 action folds to V1 in CO who flat calls.


Flop : Pot= $43


10d 6d 4c


Hero makes it $33, V1 re raises to $73. I tank for a bit then decided to flat call and let a card peel.


Turn: Pot= $189

7d

Hero checks, V1 shoves all in.


What is V1's range here? Is shoving after his re-raise on the flop an acceptable play here? Was it bad to flat call on flop and just check on the turn?


Thoughts and comments appreciated


Spoiler:
V1 tables Qh10d..
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03-26-2014 , 06:11 AM
Need a little more information about you and V here.

Do you have a history of only c-betting when you 'feel' you are ahead?
Is V aggressive when checked to, on draws, overall?
Does your bet size give off anything to V?

Based on V Flop actions I would think V has either a strong flush draw or Tx holding and is testing you to see if you have AK or over pair .. possibly a set if he puts you on a flush draw in your range.

Based on V Turn action he is ignoring that you have an over-pair and implying that he has a made hand now, possibly with a draw to a bigger hand. He is not pricing you into any draw you may have so that means ...

We need more information on V (and you) to answer that ... I vote AdTx or set here more so than a made flush. If he is putting you on an over-pair then he knows you don't have a flush and perhaps could draw to it.

The more I type, the weaker I think he is ... and he is expecting you to fold ...

Need more information, but I think this may be a call ... why would a set, flush, 89, even 2 pair (maybe) want you out of the hand? Cuz he's happy with the pot right where it's at ... unless he has a bigger over-pair with flush draw.

This comes down to the fact that by calling the Flop raise he knows you have an over-pair .. polarizing bet + bad board = iffy holdings? This is V dependent but I might cry call here quite often even without a flush draw. GL
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03-26-2014 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PreFlopRaiser
Been playing solid for about three hours at table, some players have found out I bet with good cards and just sticking to abc poker.

Hero $310 utg+1
V1 $350 CO

Action folds to hero utg+1 with JJ, I make it $20 action folds to V1 in CO who flat calls.


Flop : Pot= $43


10d 6d 4c


Hero makes it $33, V1 re raises to $73. I tank for a bit then decided to flat call and let a card peel.


Turn: Pot= $189

7d

Hero checks, V1 shoves all in.


What is V1's range here? Is shoving after his re-raise on the flop an acceptable play here? Was it bad to flat call on flop and just check on the turn?


Thoughts and comments appreciated
V's actions are goofy and erratic.
Without knowing more about him, it's hard to read him as having a set of tens, sixes or fours - or having AX - and making his FD on the turn.

I don't mind the flop call and turn check - but most will probably say that it's obvious what V will do on turn, and I'd have to agree.
So I guess that brings us back to the flop re-raise... should you shove or fold? This is where your decision should be made.
If you have the J, it does improve our chances vs. a FD if we shove. But it doesn't guarantee anything.

If you've been playing for 3 hours, I'm surprised you don't have a read on v. Because it looks like he's got a dead-on read on you and has been waiting for a chance to exploit your abc style.

This is not to say you should have called. Such crazy aggression on such a wet board would get my fold too. But I'd make a note of V's style and play him differently next time.

BTW - your spoiler shows too many 10s.
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03-26-2014 , 08:19 AM
Against an unknown villain the flop raising range is mostly big flush draws and sets. Big TX and QQ are possible but discounted. On this board combo draws and two pair are unlikely but can't be eliminated entirely. The turn jam is odd, with position I would expect a flush to bet smaller and other hands to mostly check behind. Most likely at that point is a low flush that is worried that you have a big diamond. Mostly I would fold to the flop raise against an unknown here because I expect it to be a lot of sets and big flush draws.

After looking at spoiler: Villain's play is bad. If he is consistently playing like that, then shoving flop or even calling flop and turn could be right. Mostly that will get you crushed against unknown villains.
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03-26-2014 , 10:12 AM
I'd ship it on the flop.

Diamonds and Overcards put us in a tough spot on the turn. I'd rather just shove and make him play for stacks. JJ is ahead of his range, and plenty of Tx and flush draws will call.
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03-26-2014 , 12:18 PM
In three hours, you should have an idea of how often villain is in the pot, how often he 3-bets, and if he is capable of bluffing. You should know if he is passive or aggressive. If the guy has made it to showdown, then you should have some idea what he can call with. And if he hasn't, you know something about how tight and how weak he is. This guy is paying more attention to you, than you are to him. That should make you a little nervous.

Since you already told us what villain had, here's a question. What's your read on this guy now? And how are you going to use that information to get his stack?
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