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1/2 NL Home game....KQo - Top Pair vs Loose Player 1/2 NL Home game....KQo - Top Pair vs Loose Player

07-30-2011 , 06:31 PM
Villain (UTG)-$360
Hero (UTG+1)-$340

Villain is very loose preflop. Post flop he likes to be passive when in position and aggressive when OOP after the flop. Villain also probably has a PFR range of 40%. Likes to raise with awkward hands from particularly late and very early positions.

Hero has KQo.

Villain raise pre to $8. Hero calls. Everyone else folds around.

(Pot-$19) Flop comes K85 with two hearts. Villain C-bets $8. Hero 3bets to $20. Villain 4bet shoves. Hero?

My read.......his hand is extremely polarized now....he is definitely capable of making such moves with a FD and he has done this against me before from previous times I have played with him prior to this session. He's definitely not doing this as a stone cold bluff...but hands I put him on are KK,88,55,QQ,JJ,1010,99, and a plethora of suited connectors that can give him a flush draw or straight draw. His huge over bet shove just seemed so weird to me. He is a good player....not a fish.
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07-30-2011 , 06:35 PM
Make it $40 preflop. Then you can stack off on this flop. As played, instant fold.
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07-30-2011 , 06:58 PM
lol flop wasn't 3b/4b it was raise/3b
also 40 pre is way too big esp IP, come on 8->40?
anyway yes as played easy fold.
prob fold pre in these positions vs. a thinking player/even if he is looseish
*depending on how many players there are total
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07-30-2011 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
lol flop wasn't 3b/4b it was raise/3b
also 40 pre is way too big esp IP, come on 8->40?
anyway yes as played easy fold.
prob fold pre in these positions vs. a thinking player/even if he is looseish
*depending on how many players there are total
Fold pre is ridiculous. While KQ is dominated often against a TAG, it is often dominating a LAG. The thing is if we 3bet to $30 only, then we may still be in a tough spot postflop if we hit top pair.
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07-30-2011 , 07:15 PM
Ok there is no way you call a shove with that line, NO WAY IN HELL! you have him on a wide range that has you either super far behind or on a draw that you prolly dont want to run against here. And saying QQ-99 is too easy to give him, my guess is he has one of if not a combo draw. If he shoves on you with lets say AX suited you are facing a flush and the chance of that A. the stack size is a little crazy i mean $344 like that? Hopefully you didnt call but i normally ask on everyone's thread.......(with a sigh) How did it go from there?
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07-30-2011 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by yodachoda
Fold pre is ridiculous. While KQ is dominated often against a TAG, it is often dominating a LAG. The thing is if we 3bet to $30 only, then we may still be in a tough spot postflop if we hit top pair.
lol, wtf. even if this is 6-max only a really loose lag will be opening enough for you to be dominating a lot of his range, if this fr it's even worse. it's not just that though, another small point there are players behind who can squeeze or whatever (maybe if live is that passive then this part is even less of an issue).
only a bad lag (and op said villain is thinking etc) will be opening wide enough for KQ to be significant ahead.
also 3-betting larger to make it easier to stack off when we hit top pair is so beyond ******ed. sorry but it just is. 170BB deep, utg vs. utg+1 3bet, villain must be beyond terrible if he flats a massive 3-bet in such a position then stacks off with worse than KQ on Qxx or Kxx. period.
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07-31-2011 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
lol, wtf. even if this is 6-max only a really loose lag will be opening enough for you to be dominating a lot of his range, if this fr it's even worse. it's not just that though, another small point there are players behind who can squeeze or whatever (maybe if live is that passive then this part is even less of an issue).
only a bad lag (and op said villain is thinking etc) will be opening wide enough for KQ to be significant ahead.
also 3-betting larger to make it easier to stack off when we hit top pair is so beyond ******ed. sorry but it just is. 170BB deep, utg vs. utg+1 3bet, villain must be beyond terrible if he flats a massive 3-bet in such a position then stacks off with worse than KQ on Qxx or Kxx. period.
Forgot to mention..this was 7handed
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