Effective stack: $72
Villian: (button)LAGG
Hero: $85(BB)
4 Callers, we look down at J5 and check call.
Pot: $10
Flop: J52
Small blind checks, Hero bets $10, UTG+1 calls, Villian raises all in for $70.
Small blind folds. Hero ???

Thanks for taking your time to read this and reply.

Call

/thread

With top two on this dry board vs. LAG? Obvious snap call is obvious.

Sure he has 22 a lot, but he has a strange TP a bunch too, and some 34s, etc.

There's $100 in the pot already, and you are being asked to pay $60, so you only need to be good 37.5% of the time. Even if his range is as tight as 55,22,QJs,43s (throwing out JJ, and KJ+ because he almost certainly raises it pre), you have 49% equity and a clear call. Hell, even if we throw out the 43s semi-bluffs we still have enough equity to call with just one more combo of TP in his range.

I tank call here


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+1

As you can see ... This thread isn't getting much 'respect' here. We can only go off your description of the player (LAGG=LAG?) and then work off the pot odds.

You are only behind sets here. You have all draws crushed at 8 outs or less until 'runner-runner' comes into play. A LAG player here can have 'anything', including AA-QQ, 34 or any Jx. This range is too wide open with these pot odds to even consider folding.

Now if you want to give us some more information about this player that references what they 'should' have when they make a polarizing bet like this, then maybe we can counsel differently.

Look at the facts when the chips went in .. not the results. These types of threads are usually the result of a 'bad beat'. GL

Thanks for the reply. The action was limped pre so i discarded hands like AA or QQ in his range. For whatever is worth, when the flop came out and i bet and UTG+1 called. He literally jumped off his seat and said (yes lets go!!) and push his stack in the middle. I put him on set of 55 or 22. Knowing him He does not get out of line with draws (34). Also there was UTG+1 who was in the pot which i had to beat as well. Anyway looking back i prob should of made the call. I mucked, UTG+1 mucked and showed QJ, villian took the pot and showed 52.

I don't care if he's LAG, TAG, fish, whatever description you have, I'm never folding this given stack sizes.

There are lots of times when we out-think ourselves in poker. I do use a lot of live reads while playing so I know I'm susceptible to it ... as well as applying the same amount of poker credit to players at 1/2 as I do higher stakes.

Case in point ... PLO hand, Board J74 ... I bet 80% of pot with 44 and the next guy re-pots all-in. Folds around and I start to tank a bit when he chimes in .. "I'm doing you a favor." Knowing this player plays limited PLO and that he started to chirp I called 'anyway' ... He shows J4, like the 20th nuts or something if you include potential wrap draw holdings.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that you and your opponent value the same holding in the same 'regard'. GL

This is where knowing your math is very important. If you had done the math at the table, there is no way you would have folded getting 1.6-1 (call $60 into $100 pot). Basically you only have to be ahead 40% of the time to break even (meaning you get back $60 every time you call $60 over many trials). So, counting combos of hands out there, you lose only to the sets (1 pair of Jacks, 1 pair of fives, and 3 pairs of 2's) which is 5 combos total. So all you need to come up with is 5 other hands that he could have and you are already there in terms of probability.

My advice would be to study some of the hand math in lots of different books out there. And don't take any of what was said here as harsh criticism...all of us were in your spot at one point and it is good that you are trying to work on your game.

Good luck.

Shorn