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02-06-2013 , 08:35 PM
Hi I'm new to posting here wanted to see how you guys wouldve played this hand. I should note that im a recreational player and dont have a bankroll per se.

So the table is fairly aggressive, lots off massive multi way pots. Hero has a tight image, only showed down 1 hand TT>AQ vs Villain 2. Villain 2 (button) has donkish tendencies and won't ever fold 3rd or 4th best. He picked up a few pots this way against the other aggros at the table when they missed the board. Villain 1 (bb) is the only other tight player at the table, he plays straight forward about 25% of hands.

Hero: $375 in sb picks up K7c. Called $5 button straddle
bb: covers hero and calls $5
button: covers hero and checks

FLOP: 4TJc

Hero: bets $15
bb: calls
button: calls

TURN: 8d

Hero: checks
bb: checks
button: bets $35
hero: raises to $60
bb:calls
button: calls

RIVER:8s

hero:checks
bb:checks
button: bets $75
hero: folds
bb: raises to $150
button: folds

bb shows 1 card 8c
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02-06-2013 , 09:10 PM
I don't get your notation. You say you have "K7c". Does that mean both are clubs? Also the flop is "4TJc". Does that mean they're all clubs? If so, how do you EVER fold the second nut flush?

Beyond that, K7 is a really crappy hand to play from SB, even sooted, even in a limped pot.
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02-06-2013 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
I don't get your notation. You say you have "K7c". Does that mean both are clubs? Also the flop is "4TJc". Does that mean they're all clubs? If so, how do you EVER fold the second nut flush?

Beyond that, K7 is a really crappy hand to play from SB, even sooted, even in a limped pot.
yes my hand was suited and the flop was also suited.

I folded out of stupidity obviously. i was concerned about the full house on the river and the nut flush against 2 players, one of them being tight. i wouldve called had the board not paired.
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02-06-2013 , 11:25 PM
Fold pre, too many players yet to act. K7 is not a strong hand, even ip.

As played, you have a player who will call a weak hand all the way, so bet, keep betting.

A full house seems unlikely from a tight V. I think he'd fold T8 OTF, leaving perhaps J8 as the only reasonable combo to take that line. 44 likely raises the flop and does not check the turn.
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02-06-2013 , 11:46 PM
Dont call the straddle preflop.
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02-07-2013 , 01:03 AM
Fold pre.

As played, bet flop, turn and probably river. The hands you are afraid of are a small prt of V's range.
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02-07-2013 , 01:47 AM
I think your c/r was small. Your call of the $35 leaves like $90 in the pot, so you should be raising to 100-120 maybe. This sets up an easy river shove with your monster flush.
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02-07-2013 , 08:23 AM
Are u sure u have a tight image? U played K7s from the SB.

Okay so preflop should be a fold but u still played the hand and lucky u floped the 2nd nuts

Pot is 17 I guess

So bet a psb or overbet. try to build a huge pot with such a monster. they probably think u try to protect a pair or something else and will call with a lot.

Turn card is perfect for u so bet another psb obviously if u get raised u will rereraise and be all in which is perfect. I dont like that u try to cr on the turn but ok good for u someone made a bet so now u have to raise him as mentioned at least to 120.

u cant fold this river obviously and if u played the other streets like u should there would be much more in the pot and a shove so very easy
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02-07-2013 , 08:31 AM
lead turn, you still lively have the best hand and tons of drawing hands/one-pairs will come along

b/c river, still you're likely to have the best hand considering no one has raised flop and turn with their set on a board with tons of flush draws and straight draws out there.
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02-07-2013 , 03:36 PM
I think people are being extremely nice here.... this is a terribly played hand on almost every street. it doesn't seem you ever had a plan for the hand... did you?

PF- call can be ok if you have a plan against the players you're up against, but a fold is probably better with a tight player in position on you.

Flop is fine.

turn- bet. as played, C/R is too small and strange. you don't want worse hands to fold. just call there, but I'd prefer to lead out.

River- call at the very least. I'm sure there's value to a shove here, but I'd probably call. you are almost certainly ahead here. your check looks weak especially with the weird check raise on the turn. the way you played this makes it now look like you tried to buy it with the raise on turn and have now given up. if that was your plan to induce a river bluff, then you got it... but the point is... you never had a plan. you played it completely by whim.
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02-07-2013 , 04:45 PM
grunch: i'm confused

are you saying the whole flop was clubs, or just the J? If it was the just the J, then I don't get anything you did. you tried to steal the flop? i guess that's ok. but then you min check-raised the turn?

if you had a made flush on the flop then i think the lead was fine. i would raise more on the turn. and i definitely wouldn't have folded a K high flush. I would have treated it like the nuts against both these image type (aggro that can't lay down a hand.... and tag that's playing passively on a wet board). i probably would have shoved... in game i may have gotten some mubs and just called.

i would post this a cleaner though. be clear about what suits are on the flop and keep the references consistent (no point in labeling villains as villain1 and villain2 if you aren't going to use those labels in your hand history).
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02-07-2013 , 06:23 PM
I think villain has Ac8x so often here that it's an easy shove. I don't think you're ever beat in this situation.
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02-07-2013 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkleBerry
I think people are being extremely nice here.... this is a terribly played hand on almost every street. it doesn't seem you ever had a plan for the hand... did you?

PF- call can be ok if you have a plan against the players you're up against, but a fold is probably better with a tight player in position on you.

Flop is fine.

turn- bet. as played, C/R is too small and strange. you don't want worse hands to fold. just call there, but I'd prefer to lead out.

River- call at the very least. I'm sure there's value to a shove here, but I'd probably call. you are almost certainly ahead here. your check looks weak especially with the weird check raise on the turn. the way you played this makes it now look like you tried to buy it with the raise on turn and have now given up. if that was your plan to induce a river bluff, then you got it... but the point is... you never had a plan. you played it completely by whim.
This...

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Originally Posted by LiLSoup
I think villain has Ac8x so often here that it's an easy shove. I don't think you're ever beat in this situation.
... and this.

Don't be so worried about monsters under the bed.
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02-07-2013 , 10:17 PM
my official position:

You were mashing buttons with no idea what you were doing.
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02-08-2013 , 12:42 AM
i think you have to ask "why" before any decision you make.

why did you call pre? did you think there was a good chance it was going to get limped around and you wouldn't be facing a raise? bc K7s is a pretty speculative hand to open call a straddle, especially oop, and ESPECIALLY with a full table of aggro monkeys.

why did you lead flop? obvious. could it have been more? very likely.

why did you check turn? planning a c/r since these aggro players will never let a street go checked? interesting. but why c/r so small?

river? c/f when the board pairs???? think about your opponents hands. would they ever play two pair or a set so passively throughout the hand? almost certainly not.
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02-08-2013 , 05:30 AM
Tphank you a lot has been learned here. The person that mentioned I had no plan was spot on. I chose a bax time to try and mix it up by playing k7
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02-08-2013 , 02:15 PM
Live and learn. Welcome to the forums. You should do well here if you stick with it.
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02-08-2013 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheryl Tunt
Hi I'm new to posting here wanted to see how you guys wouldve played this hand. I should note that im a recreational player and dont have a bankroll per se.

So the table is fairly aggressive, lots off massive multi way pots. Hero has a tight image, only showed down 1 hand TT>AQ vs Villain 2. Villain 2 (button) has donkish tendencies and won't ever fold 3rd or 4th best. He picked up a few pots this way against the other aggros at the table when they missed the board. Villain 1 (bb) is the only other tight player at the table, he plays straight forward about 25% of hands.

Hero: $375 in sb picks up K7c. Called $5 button straddle
bb: covers hero and calls $5
button: covers hero and checks

FLOP: 4TJc

Hero: bets $15
bb: calls
button: calls

TURN: 8d

Hero: checks
bb: checks
button: bets $35
hero: raises to $60
bb:calls
button: calls

RIVER:8s

hero:checks
bb:checks
button: bets $75
hero: folds
bb: raises to $150
button: folds

bb shows 1 card 8c
(1) Preflop: Weak hand OOP - fold
(2) Flop: Well played
(3) Turn: Dream card that gives straight possiblities. (Time to take the pot, min raise is huge mistake.)
(4) River: See huge mistake on (3). Still have to be willing to show down or see (1)

Because of "I should note that im a recreational player and dont have a bankroll per se.", you should be trying your hardest to get all your chips in the middle on the turn. You have a huge advantage over all but a very narrow range.

On the turn you fancy played and the river you played scared money; not a good combo.

Last edited by dean327; 02-08-2013 at 03:21 PM.
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