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1-2 NL, Folding KK on the Button? 1-2 NL, Folding KK on the Button?

11-24-2018 , 04:03 PM
Stacks 250 effective. I have the effective stack. Villain is the tightest person at the table. I have been playing with him for about 2 hours and he has not raised one hand. Older gentleman, and seems a bit soft.

Villain is UTG and raises to $6

UTG +1 Calls

Folds to me on the button. I have KK. I 3bet to $32.

I chose this bigger sizing because I have been very splashy up to this point and have been 3 betting a lot in position. I assume my image looks like a "youg aggressive bully". I have showed a bluff as well. This sizing is for value, but also to try and isolate one of these players. Also, since this is the V's first raise, I am hoping its QQ and he will flick it in and take a flop.

SB folds, BB folds.

UTG instantly grabs a stack of reds and slams it into the pot. He 4bets to $125.

UTG +1 Insta folds, and now its back to me.

With a stack of $250 this is obviously super committing, and hes really only repping 1-2 hands in my opinion. AA or KK. Since I have KK, I block his KK combos, with only 1 left.

I tank for about 5 minutes. At this table, there aren't many people (if anyone) with a 4 bet range that isn't AA or KK in this player pool.

I pieced everything together. This was the first time he raised a pot, he insta 4 bet over what I consider to be a larger sized 3 bet. Older gentleman, tight player, and he was super calm.

I have never folded KK pre before, and with all of this info and my reads, I ended up folding.

I just couldn't see this super tight player 4 betting me with AK, or QQ here.

My question is first, even if I am right about him having AA, do I want to at least take a flop? We aren't very deep, and even if I out flop AA, I know I am getting paid, but its only for another $125.

He did show after I folded.
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11-24-2018 , 04:17 PM
All in
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11-24-2018 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Franky4Bets
My question is first, even if I am right about him having AA, do I want to at least take a flop? We aren't very deep, and even if I out flop AA, I know I am getting paid, but its only for another $125.
after the 4 bet stacks are too shallow to play post flop. your decision for your whole stack is now.
I'm a nit and would have 3bet to $25 and likely folded to his 4bet.
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11-24-2018 , 04:27 PM
There's never a time when you'd want to take a flop here. Folding is best, jamming a distance second and calling means you hate money. It's going in on the flop either way, especially given villain type. As for folding KK...

I feel you. It's hard, but it's correct here. It isn't correct all the time. Against the villain you describe, it's going to be AA, a massive amount of the time.

I see situations like this all the time. The lag snaps off with KK or AKs and is dumbfounded and angry that the guy, who never raises but aggressively 3! This time rolls over AA. I fake condolences, but really I'm wondering " WTF did you think he had?". I have no problem stacking off KK against an internet go-hard, but against a "older gentleman who seems soft" this is suicide.

Don't sweat it, and keep making good folds like that and you'll watch your graph turn into a giraffe.
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11-24-2018 , 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky4Bets
Stacks 250 effective. I have the effective stack. Villain is the tightest person at the table. I have been playing with him for about 2 hours and he has not raised one hand. Older gentleman, and seems a bit soft.

Villain is UTG and raises to $6

UTG +1 Calls

Folds to me on the button. I have KK. I 3bet to $32.

I chose this bigger sizing because I have been very splashy up to this point and have been 3 betting a lot in position. I assume my image looks like a "youg aggressive bully". I have showed a bluff as well. This sizing is for value, but also to try and isolate one of these players. Also, since this is the V's first raise, I am hoping its QQ and he will flick it in and take a flop.

SB folds, BB folds.

UTG instantly grabs a stack of reds and slams it into the pot. He 4bets to $125.

UTG +1 Insta folds, and now its back to me.

With a stack of $250 this is obviously super committing, and hes really only repping 1-2 hands in my opinion. AA or KK. Since I have KK, I block his KK combos, with only 1 left.

I tank for about 5 minutes. At this table, there aren't many people (if anyone) with a 4 bet range that isn't AA or KK in this player pool.

I pieced everything together. This was the first time he raised a pot, he insta 4 bet over what I consider to be a larger sized 3 bet. Older gentleman, tight player, and he was super calm.

I have never folded KK pre before, and with all of this info and my reads, I ended up folding.

I just couldn't see this super tight player 4 betting me with AK, or QQ here.

My question is first, even if I am right about him having AA, do I want to at least take a flop? We aren't very deep, and even if I out flop AA, I know I am getting paid, but its only for another $125.

He did show after I folded.
Good fold. Just don't show it.
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11-24-2018 , 05:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikko
Good fold. Just don't show it.
omg yes! this X 1,000,000

never show a fold. even the idiots will adjust to the massive information of mucked cards.
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11-24-2018 , 06:30 PM
So what did he show
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11-24-2018 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rileymadison2345
So what did he show
AA
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