Agreed. Once you are properly rolled, these are the big pots and gambles that are worth taking shots at.

So, you only range villain for sets and two pair only???

Oh, I see, OP states villain only has sets and two pair.

okay, so if we use your range we get
So we have the equity given the money already in the pot to shove.

Not sure how you rationalize we don't have the equity???

Use dgiharris # 44% we win $465, $205 expected value. 56% we lose $330, expected value -$185. Net we expected to win $20. However, does T8off actually belong in V2's range ? If not the the numbers show a small loss. Bottom line is if we really say V2 only has two pair or a set and we are heads up if we shove, we are obviously indifferent to a fold or shove from a strictly dollars and cents standpoint.

I personally think JJ & QQ belong in V2's range. If V2 calls a shove then we can expect a small win, about $35. Of course the best result would be V2 has the overpair and folds to our shove and we pickup the $250 pot.

Villains remaining stack 350 - 115 - 19 = 215
Pot 95 + 40 + 115 = 250
WWR 115 + 215 = 330
WWW 250 + 215 = 465

EV = WWW * Equity - WWR * (1-Equity)
= 465 * 44% - 330 * 56%
= 19

So yea its +EV, you risk your stack and on average win about 19 bucks if the third player never comes along and the first player never shows up with the nut flush draw.

I think calling is better - your straight outs are well disguised given that its hard to give you credit for flatting a bare 97 in this spot - so I think you have implied odds vs a likely set on at least some turns. Doubt hes always cfing turn with a set when you catch a spade even if it goes 3 ways. If the original raiser comes in - thats almost dead money (65 more into a giant pot when you call).

Its also possible when you flat that the or goes nuts with AA and 3-bets flop which is another amazing situation for you.

Pre-flop, I'm folding because I've flopped gin and I still don't know what to do. At the table, I'm shoving. If I'm looking at the hand when I'm home, I really don't like that fact that I'm only getting 2.5%EV on the pot so with V1 out and V2 in, I'm still not incredibly happy with the shove.

Another reason I like shoving in this spot is we shove, get called, turn or river the winner and then the table looks at us like we are an aggro degen gambooler because we went all-in on a draw.

Then later, when we flop a set or a boat and shove, we get called down much lighter because villains remember our previous shove... This even works when we get AA/KK pre and make a large preflop raise, villains call us down light remembering that we are loosey goosey...

Another great meta game result is that villain goes on tilt and comes after us on a personal vendetta to bust us, so he starts over calling us and will pay us off throughout the rest of the session

Anyone like calling to induce donk bettor to call or shove? since we feel v2 has 2 pair or a set ( and isn't folding anyway). I don't think we are getting v1 to fold a bigger flush draw very often anyway, so why don't we want to bring him along too with his most likely overpair. I would never normally advocate this but it seems like the best way to approach the hand plus if we have little to no fold equity ( and we are getting it in on turn anyway) we can make a better decision ott as well if say the board pairs. I don't think v2 gets away either if we spike turn since we have his range so strong and 2 streets left to get it in. Prob get flamed for this post but just some outside the box thoughts

Haha thinking ahead, I like it. And like I said before the rare instance where both villains call they probably are sharing full house outs and that can't hurt

Don't really think this is a good idea as we can't really fold any turns. I feel that v1 is folding or getting it in regardless of our action.

I'm fairly new and still learning: but I like Dgi's reasons behind the shove and the numbers support it too but my question is, is calling a -EV move? Some of the other posts are reasoning with "bring the others along". Thoughts on this?

Problem with calling for me is what happens when v1 folds or calls and the turn is a T 8 or 3. You've committed a bunch of your stack and are often drawing dead

shove or fold. flat calling is the worst option