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08-22-2013 , 03:32 AM
Hi everyone, I've been lurking on the LLSNL forums for a couple years now and started playing full time about 6 months ago with decent success. This is my first post so go easy on me.

Hero - (800) CO - running good, recently stacked someone with my flopped set a couple orbits ago. Playing mostly TAG and haven't shown a bluff in the 2 hours or so I've been playing. C-Betting frequently mostly because I've been hitting flops left and right.

Villain 1 - (650) MP - Older gentlemen, 60's, unknown except for the 2 hours I've played with him. Plays super tight preflop and fit or fold postflop. Only hands he has shown down have been KK and AK, which he played aggressively. Seems slightly better than your average old man coffee.

Villain 2 - (600) SB - 40's LAG Regular, played with him before and he likes to gamble, he just moved to this table a couple hands ago.

10 handed- 1/2 NL

Hero is dealt J9

Folds to V1 who open limps, Hero raises to 12, V2 calls, V1 calls.

Normally I fold this most of the time preflop, but since V1 was in the hand my plan was to take this pot down most of the time with a CBet.

Flop($38) J 9 7r

V2 checks, V1 checks, Hero bets 26, V2 folds, V1 thinks for about 10 seconds then raises to 75. Hero?

Will post results later if anyone is interested.
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08-22-2013 , 03:56 AM
One thing I know for sure. We can't fold the flop. EVEN IF we knew villain had 77/T8s, we're getting the implied odds to bink our 4 outer on the turn (assuming we stack villain close to 100% of the time).

Also, given how deep we are, and the nature of this villain (super tight preflop/fit fold postflop), no way am I committed to this hand, so we should NOT 3bet the flop and build an even bigger pot in this marginal spot.

So this leaves only one option on the flop: Call.

Now if villain bombs a blank turn after we call, then I think we gotta let it go. I mean think about it. What hand is a super tight player 3x check/raising this flop against a pfr that we are ahead of? Probably no hand. He probably flopped a set. Sick spot.
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08-22-2013 , 04:02 AM
Sick thought. If a T or 8 hits the turn, and villain bets half pot, this could be a hella sick spot to turn top two into a bluff and shove over villain's bet. Lol, it's late. I prolly should go to bed.
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08-22-2013 , 06:36 AM
Similar to when we have overpairs and get check/min-raised otf. Can't ever be getting bluffed (although we're not beat too often) off an overpair with a min-raise. Also can't 3bet and value ourselves against flopped sets. In that scenario and this, call, use pos., eval turn.

Some guys say "you can't just call and eval, tight guys have us beat here every time" but you can at least take solace in the fact that a min raise leaves value out there on V's part, so thank him for not taking more of our money the times we do fold. But often they're doing something ridiculous and slow down ott with a check and we bet the last 2 streets for value.
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08-22-2013 , 10:09 AM
Would like to hear about the AK hand he played aggressively.

Could he be doing this with AJ, KJ, QQ?

I'm always calling here and only way I'm folding on turn if he bet's around pot.
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08-22-2013 , 10:47 AM
Super tight old guy checkraises you? It's not like he's doing it with a draw. Technically I call here because you're paying 50 to hit a 4 outer on your next street and you'll do that roughly one in every 10.x times. After you call the pot will be almost $200 and you could possibly stack him if you do hit your nine.

I call the checkraise and then fold if I don't boat up on the turn and he bets because he usually has the straight here as you have blockers to JJ and 99. 44 is in his range, but the same thinking applies, if you hit your J or 9, you could get his whole stack.
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08-22-2013 , 11:21 AM
Call. How did he play the KK hand, specifically pre?
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08-22-2013 , 11:23 AM
I think I'm peeling a card. We have blockers to JJ and 99. Doesn't sound like he has a ton of T8 in his range. It sounds like he has a brain, though, so I don't think we want to go nuts here.

We're deep enough that getting in a raising war is a mistake.

On the turn, I think bet/fold is probably better than check/call, because (a) we are ahead of some of his range that can call, and (b) he isn't raising two streets without a hand that beats you.

Finally, that was a much better first post than average, it seems like you have put some thought into the hand. Good luck.
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08-22-2013 , 11:28 AM
Small thing that will affect a bit of the hand planning - is the 7 a club?
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08-22-2013 , 01:45 PM
KK hand he stacked off against a shortstack, so not a whole lot of info.

AK he missed flop but still bet, checked to river. ended up winning with A high

both hands he raised pre

Also, the 7 was not the 7 of clubs.
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08-22-2013 , 01:57 PM
Call. Use position, see what he does on the turn

Sucks the 7 wasn't a club
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08-22-2013 , 01:57 PM
call flop, see what he does on turn.

in the AK hand, he cbet flop and then checked it down? lends credence to the idea that he's likely to slow down on the turn if he's making his one move of the night and/or he has something like AJ or QQ.

i think we can frequently fold on the turn if he continues with a big bet, but if he views you as some young punk he might fire again with QQ or TPTK if a safe card falls and he thinks you're drawing. turn is the tough spot if he bets big, flop is an easy call.
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