Line check...

1/2 NL bar game

Game is very limpy and loose passive as always... My image is nobody gives a **** about my image and they want to see flops and gamble

V1 is action player who makes lots of huge mistakes and is hammered and generally oblivious

V2 is weak passive guy


V3 is another bad reg who likes making hero calls... Calls too much...loose passive and stuck 2 buyins on the night already

350 eff... 4 limps to me and I make it 12 in the cut w 86cc (sizing?)

V3 calls in sb
V1 calls in utg
V2 calls in mp

Flop 8d 3c 2c (pot 55)

V1 leads 15, v2 calls, I make it 85

V3 tanks and makes it 185

Folds to me

is there any reason to just call since I have zero FE and pray for a free river/snap call his turn shove? Does it matter, prob not...Thoughts on flop raise sizing?

Bump

I don't like the pfr because it seems like a lineup that you are not going to be stealing against very often, either pre or OTF.

OTF, the raise has some benefits, but I'd rather forget about the value of my weak top pair and try to draw cheaply against the most possible opponents. Hitting our flush card that makes someone else top pair or two pair could be very profitable here.

AP, what is V3's range here? Any chance this possibly tilty villain is on a draw here? The wider his range may be, the more likely I am to shove. If villain is on a very tight range, like sets mostly, I would be inclined to just call. That way, if a 2 or 3 hits the turn I can fold. If a blank hits the turn, I would probably call a shove getting 4:1, but I think its a close decision.

Either he has a higher flush draw, which you want to get it all in at this point... or you're behind... probably a push either way

Just shove.

I'd probably just limp, but raising isn't going to kill me.

Anyway,
Problem is raising the flop.
You're only going to get a lot of action from sets, two pair, or hands like Axc.
Either V1 is clueless about bet sizing to protect a made hand, or he's betting small to give himself the right price to draw.

If V3 is usually loose passive and suddenly making a 3bet on the flop, there's no way you're ahead of his range. He could easily have a set or two pair. I could maybe see him overplaying an 8 (the worst of his range), but his kicker will probably be better than yours. Maybe he's passive preflop and limped with 99 or TT. If he has a flush draw, his draw has yours crushed and he could also have overcards to go with it.

I'd be more likely to raise the flop if I were in a game with good players who might fold an overpair, better 8, or higher flush draw, than if I were in this 1-2 game, just saying. I thought it was common knowledge that 1-2 players didn't know how to fold.

Also, I would be more likely to do it if I were the last player to act, say if V3 were not in the hand.

I just want to understand this correctly.

Is the bolded hero's description or V1's?

If they're this bad, just limp pre or raise more because the worst result you can have is multiple callers with a weak hand when callers won't lay down anything.

These guys are droolers, and they're not going to lay down A8 or 99 or w/e, so your flop raise has little fold equity. It's a tiny bet, and the guy is horrible, but we're like 175bb deep vs epic fish, and I think we get more value out of just value betting huge when we hit than making like a semi-bluff raise with big draws.

Once you raise there, I guess you can't really fold since you're ahead of oc+fd's, you're like 48% vs overpairs, and you're still 31% vs sets. I just did a really, really quick stove and you're probably >40% if he's really spewy and you're getting like 2-1 so you only need like 33%.

I just think in the type of game you're playing, you can make more money but semi-bluffing less and limping this type of hand, while isoing with more 1pairish hands. And if you're going to Iso, make sure to raise more so you get it HU.