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1-2 NL deepstack, hows my line? 1-2 NL deepstack, hows my line?

04-16-2015 , 03:45 PM
1/2 NL, 9 handed

I am not too familiar with deepstack play, so I am wondering if I played this hand correctly.
Villain and I are 430BB deep.
Villain has medium aggression. He bets when he has a hand.
Havnt been in any major pots with him yet.
Plays semiloose pre and post
I have seen him take small 2/3 pot bluffs at the pot on the river before
He won a 250BB pot when his straight draw hit on the turn a few orbits ago. He did not bet/raise when he had this draw.

Preflop:
SB, BB, UTG+2 call.
Hero (UTG +3) raise to 15 with J J
Villian (BTN) calls, SB, BB, UTG+2 call.

Flop is 9 10 J ($75 pot)

SB Checks. BB bets $20.
UTG+2 calls.
Hero calls.
Villain raises to $75. Folds to Hero. Hero calls.


Turn is 6 ($265 pot)
Hero checks.
Villain bets $250.
Hero thinks for a bit and calls.


River is 3 ($765 pot)
Hero checks.
Villain sits back and thinks about where I am in the hand. Bets $150.
Hero calls

I aimed for pot control with my check/call line, since I did not want to play for stacks OOP. Is this a good line to take with my hand or should I be betting/raising?
Would bet/fold the river be ok? Dont think he is shoving without the straight
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04-16-2015 , 03:58 PM
I'm not sure why you didn't raise on flop to the $20? The only hand we are really afraid of is QK and maybe 78. If this is how you thought you'd get the most out of Villain, I think it's fine. In other words, if he'll fold to your raise w/worse and call/raise with better, but will keep firing with worse, this play is OK. No need to raise river, because I don't think he's calling with worse, unless it's a set. It's a pretty passive line, but you kind of gave up on the flop.

Edit: I might raise river. Why would he bet so much on turn if he had a straight? If he had the straight, why wouldn't he try to get a little more value on river? It's such a small bet -- it almost looks like a blocking bet. I guess he could have 78 and is a little nervous?
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04-16-2015 , 03:59 PM
When you call on the turn, that's it, you're never folding after that. I would have raised the flop when it got back to you a second time. If he raises, we can probably fold. If he calls and the turn is not a Q, K, or 8, we can shove.
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04-16-2015 , 04:27 PM
The idea that you are going to pot control by checking the turn OOP is a pipe dream. Villain can easily get his stack in if he has a straight, and I doubt you're folding. Just check/shove the turn to catch him when he has QJ or something similar.

AP, I'm tempted to shove the river for value, but I feel like the bet is there to induce more often than he has a hand he'll call off with, so I guess just call.
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04-16-2015 , 07:47 PM
Yeah I definitely should have raised the flop here. He is rarely raising this large with a draw.

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Originally Posted by Javanewt
In other words, if he'll fold to your raise w/worse and call/raise with better, but will keep firing with worse, this play is OK.
This was my line of thinking here, along with the fact that we minimize losses when he has a straight and doesn't think I will call a shove.

Also, I like Bobman's advice to check shove the turn. Lots of hand worse than mine will probably call. Wish I had thought of this.

Villian showed J 10
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04-16-2015 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by nl212
Yeah I definitely should have raised the flop here. He is rarely raising this large with a draw.



This was my line of thinking here, along with the fact that we minimize losses when he has a straight and doesn't think I will call a shove.

Also, I like Bobman's advice to check shove the turn. Lots of hand worse than mine will probably call. Wish I had thought of this.

Villian showed J 10
When I went back and looked at the turn bet (huge) and river bet (small) this is about what I put him on. You might not have gotten any more, regardless.
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04-16-2015 , 08:07 PM
Other than the no flop raise. Wp. Saying to raise on the river is crazy. like unless we're in a super sick game you don't get paid off ott or otr when you ship. Like maybe a set calls you ott.
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04-16-2015 , 10:27 PM
isn't it sick that he was drawing dead the whole time? wow what a great spot to be in deep.

Win 200 BB+ when villain is drawing completely dead
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04-17-2015 , 07:13 AM
Grunch

I'd like to know the stack size of the bb. I'd raise the flop bet and go from there.

Edit: Read the responses and the river bet looks weak to me. You showed you would call $250 on the turn, so why wouldn't villain bet at least that amount if villain has the nuts? I'm surprised this villain bet at all if he had that much uncertainty. Usually uncertain villains would check behind, hoping to win the pot instead of face a possible scary raise.
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04-17-2015 , 07:45 AM
raise flop to 150. if he reraises that sucks and youll prob have to fold but you have the best hand a high% on flop. on the turn i would bet/fold 200 cuz its possible he could be slowplaying a straight but hes trying to get it in on the turn with those hands and if he flats the 200 on the turn im jamming all rivers that dont put 4 to straight for value all day
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04-17-2015 , 08:04 AM
I think you played this pretty well. Bobmans line is excellent but you didn't miss much value. OTR, V bets 1/5 pot, giving you 6 to 1 pot odds. That's a weird bet. It stinks like a value bet but at the same time, it's so small that you have to call every time. I don't know what he he can put you on where he's winning here. $250/300 river bet from V would have made a lot more sense, and maybe you fold but you're calling $150 all day here. Really curious that V went for minimum value in such a thin spot. After you call $250 on the turn, and the draws miss on the river, maybe he puts you on QJ or QQ, but those hands call $250 as easily as $150.
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04-17-2015 , 08:24 AM
Only different play I would make is raise the flop. I believe it was already stated but he's not raising on a draw there. I also love the check/shove turn play.
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04-17-2015 , 10:23 AM
the flop needs a raise sometime on it. whether it be the first time you flat or the 2nd time. honestly, the 2nd time looks the most bluffy because what are you normally flatting that all of the sudden you want to raise?

turn check/shove would have also been a good line

river, i cant see raising getting called by much worse, but this is lol1/2 live. he might have called.


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Originally Posted by djevans
isn't it sick that he was drawing dead the whole time? wow what a great spot to be in deep.

Win 200 BB+ when villain is drawing completely dead
not completely dead OTF:
runner runner Tens. he had a solid 0.1% equity to win
and
runner runner straight on the board has 2.42% chop equity
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04-17-2015 , 11:18 AM
You gotta raise that flop. Deepstack play is about shoveling in as much money as possible when you flop a monster and calling down is not the way to do that.
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04-17-2015 , 01:47 PM
The idea isn't to take action to make future decisions easier, but otf raising the $20 gets value from a ton worse and also happens to make the rest of the hand easier.

And ott, I'd much rather price yourself in than check/call hoping it's a reasonable amount. Bet half pot ott, that gives you 25% equity, you're 20% to boat, if you feel you're behind and going for pot control, and there's some IO to make up for the difference of 25% and 20%.
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04-17-2015 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by nl212
1/2 NL, 9 handed

I am not too familiar with deepstack play, so I am wondering if I played this hand correctly.
Villain and I are 430BB deep.
Villain has medium aggression. He bets when he has a hand.
Havnt been in any major pots with him yet.
Plays semiloose pre and post
I have seen him take small 2/3 pot bluffs at the pot on the river before
He won a 250BB pot when his straight draw hit on the turn a few orbits ago. He did not bet/raise when he had this draw.

Preflop:
SB, BB, UTG+2 call.
Hero (UTG +3) raise to 15 with J J
Villian (BTN) calls, SB, BB, UTG+2 call.

Flop is 9 10 J ($75 pot)

SB Checks. BB bets $20.
UTG+2 calls.
Hero calls.
Villain raises to $75. Folds to Hero. Hero calls.


Turn is 6 ($265 pot)
Hero checks.
Villain bets $250.
Hero thinks for a bit and calls.


River is 3 ($765 pot)
Hero checks.
Villain sits back and thinks about where I am in the hand. Bets $150.
Hero calls

I aimed for pot control with my check/call line, since I did not want to play for stacks OOP. Is this a good line to take with my hand or should I be betting/raising?
Would bet/fold the river be ok? Dont think he is shoving without the straight
You only lose to KQ, Q8, 87.

Q8 and 87 would have given you more action on the flop since he might be afraid of KQ.

You only to KQ at this point. River is a must raise. If you don't want to shove then at least raise to an amount where you could fold to a shove and still be comfortable with.
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