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1/2 NL Broadway on a paired board 1/2 NL Broadway on a paired board

04-09-2015 , 02:08 PM
This was a new 1/2 table. I had not been there a very long time but I was able to observe some hands between Villians. hand was recorded a while ago and I did not record suits. I dont want to assume it was rainbow but I don't remember it being a huge factor

Hero - (200) Fairly conservative. not many hands since sitting down. Talkative with dealers.

V1 - (200) Based on the hands that he went to showdown with it seemed as though he overvalued often. He wasnt showing down rags. more like TPGK was good to the river for him in most cases.

V2 - (300) check raised multiple times and had a strong hand each time. He value bet from position often.

Preflop
V1 limp. Hero raise to $7 from HJ with AT. V2 call on button. V1 call.

Flop QQJ (20)
V1 check
Hero bet $15
I think I just bet because it's 1/2 and I feel like everyone plays fit or fold. I know it is not the best c-bet board but it is paired and small pocket pairs or whiffed AK will likely fold to a second barrel. If I put another player on a J I think there are a bunch of good cards I can bluff at. If he doesn't raise a Q then I am losing close to the minimum (assuming I don't just check)
V2 call. V1 call.

Turn K ($65)
V1 check
Hero check
Got trapped in the 1/2 mindset and elected to slow play. I think after I hit the gutshot to broadway, my original plan of "bluffing" went out the window and I wasn't very Johnny on the spot. But I think there is merit to checking if I can get more on the river than on the turn.

V2 bets $25
V1 raises to $50
V2 does not worry me too much. It's pretty much what I want to happen when I elected to slowplay. V1 raising made me wonder. This is the first time I had seen him check raise.
Hero folds
Pot is now 145 and its $50 to me to win what will likely be 165 because I doubt V2 folds. But if he shoves I can never be good so I elected to fold because I think he shoves enough times that it is not a good call even for 3 to 1. I do remember weighing V1s range heavily towards Qx broadway cards that boat up.
V2 calls

Honestly don't recall river card.

Does everyone snap fold? Do most of you call given pot size and it is 1/2 so it will be rare to see a shove over the top? There is also river to come.

Spoiler:
V1 had AQ and V2 had T9 for the bottom end and the only two hands that warrant this action that I can beat
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04-09-2015 , 02:31 PM
Probably an ok fold. Hard to get alot more money in against worse, lots of river cards stink, a lot of river cards lead to a chop, and you could already be drawing dead.
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04-09-2015 , 03:41 PM
If you want better advice, leave out the spoiler and stop the action when it's your turn to act on the turn. Then people can give you unbiased opinions on what they would do and why at that point in the hand.
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04-09-2015 , 04:23 PM
The point of the spoiler is that it's hidden. But point noted. I don't get on often enough in the day sometimes to add more posts. I can see how me folding might bias opinions but if I raised I would want opinions on my sizing. Fair enough. In my experience, the players that I admire are confident enougj to provide an analysis without being swayed by my actions
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04-09-2015 , 04:34 PM
I would have raise to $12 preflop.
Also I would have called the turn. It's 1/2 and by the betting sizes I don't think anyone had a boat. I'm more concerned by the min raise to $50 but in my opinion you are against trips there.
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04-09-2015 , 07:52 PM
Never fold a straight for 80 BB at 1/2 and you'll be fine.
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04-09-2015 , 08:27 PM
Lol thanks idiot
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04-09-2015 , 08:30 PM
i think folding and moving over hto next hand is better instead of thinkging like that livfeidiot
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04-09-2015 , 09:05 PM
I feel like there was no plan to this play. You went into the turn with one mind set that a brick will fall and when it didn't you just played on what felt right. If you are slowplaying than you want action in behind or on the river thinking you have the nuts. If you think you are behind on turn then your though logic is at best you chop or lose so I check to fold. I truly think a big 3bet, fold vs reraise is your best option. Ofc you can't get better hands to fold and most hand that are ahead are going to flat or 4bet where you just should shutdown. some worst hands might still play or you just kick out draws that had hit say TP/SD or FD. JJ-AA probably raise preflop. Hands that are ahead of you proabaly play more aggressive preflop and flop
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04-09-2015 , 09:11 PM
Don't just see an opportunity to bluff or c/r. Try to this k about what every possibility of cards that come on the turn. Will I cbet on the turn if brick comes? Should I slow play if I fill up and get a boat? How many am I beating with my straight? All question you should think about before the turn hits

There is lots of merit in folding, its defenitilty a close call for me
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04-09-2015 , 10:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rayban
The point of the spoiler is that it's hidden. But point noted. I don't get on often enough in the day sometimes to add more posts. I can see how me folding might bias opinions but if I raised I would want opinions on my sizing. Fair enough. In my experience, the players that I admire are confident enougj to provide an analysis without being swayed by my actions
No worries. It's an interesting spot, that's why I suggested stopping the action at that point. Just trying to help you get the best input. Even the best players' advice will be skewed slightly if they know the results.

I'm not sure what I'd do but probably lean towards a fold. Even if I thought one of them could be overplaying trips, I wouldn't expect to be ahead of both of them very often unless they were really terrible.
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04-10-2015 , 12:17 AM
snap cartwheel son.
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