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1/2 NL bottom Set vs turn minraise 1/2 NL bottom Set vs turn minraise

03-30-2024 , 01:46 PM
Hero has ~350 UTG+1. V1 has 300 UTG and V2 covers in BB.

V1 just sat down, no real reads other than he seems to be familiar with playing live poker. V2 has been fairly loose/passive.

V1 raises 15, Hero calls with 55, all folds to V2 who calls.

Flop 9 5 6 rainbow

Both check to hero who bets 25, both call.

Turn 7 rainbow.

Both check to hero who bets 65, V2 minraises 130, V1 folds, Hero ?
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03-30-2024 , 03:46 PM
Call turn and try to boat up for stacks but I'd say that is a bad turn card to be betting in the first place
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03-30-2024 , 06:05 PM
Preflop is fine except calling from UTG+1 could be risky if table is aggressive about raising. Flop is OK. Turn is a bad card for hero and checking behind is the play. V2 made this easy for you by min raising. Even if they have the likely straight the chance you can get stacks in if you boat up makes it a call.
Just don't try to push V2 out if they don't bet river. Unless you improve check behind and see because the better hands are going to make crying calls.
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03-30-2024 , 09:18 PM
Call min raise. But you should be checking behind on this turn.

Villain/s would have to be complete maniacs/whale/spew to bet this turn. And also be the same for you to call any river bet that doesn't pair board after this action.
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03-31-2024 , 01:07 AM
Agree with check back turn, calling the cr as played.

We can get our second street of value on the river.
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03-31-2024 , 01:58 AM
Yup, check back turn, but call min raise. You're going to struggle to get called by anything that you beat. And if you are trying to bet the turn so you don't face a bet on the river and can check back if you don't boat up, well, you see the problem with that. You get raised. Also, even if you bet the turn, villain can just donk river anyways with a straight.
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03-31-2024 , 06:01 AM
Thanks guys! Let's turn that 6 on the flop into a 4. Are we betting the turn now?
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03-31-2024 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gbb187
Thanks guys! Let's turn that 6 on the flop into a 4. Are we betting the turn now?
Of course betting on a 4, it doesnt put out a 1 liner. Youre only losing to 87 which you already were.
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03-31-2024 , 12:03 PM
Bet full pot on flop. Check back turn. AP, call x/r, hope to boat up on river, and fold to a bet if we don't.

Yes, we can bet the turn if it's a 4.

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03-31-2024 , 05:54 PM
Agree with others. Fold preflop would be the only thing I'd add. As played, flop bet good. Checking behind the least bad option on a nasty turn card - you aren't worried about UTG but you should be worried about the BB. As played, call the minraise but don't put in more money on the river unimproved. And yes you could bet if turn card was a 4 or similarly blank card
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04-01-2024 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by moxterite
Agree with others. Fold preflop would be the only thing I'd add. As played, flop bet good. Checking behind the least bad option on a nasty turn card - you aren't worried about UTG but you should be worried about the BB. As played, call the minraise but don't put in more money on the river unimproved. And yes you could bet if turn card was a 4 or similarly blank card
Can you elaborate on folding preflop? Is the main concern being raised behind often? that almost never happens where I play. the tables are very passive and 90% of 3bets are AQo+,KK+.
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04-01-2024 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by gbb187
Can you elaborate on folding preflop? Is the main concern being raised behind often? that almost never happens where I play. the tables are very passive and 90% of 3bets are AQo+,KK+.
That's one of the main concerns yes, but the other is position - even if nobody raises you're likely to end up multiway with several players behind you. In late position you can call small pairs (or overcall if multiway) but your path to profit will be considerably more difficult playing OOP. The final thing is that you're up against a UTG raise which is likely to be strong, especially if it's a passive table. That's not the end of the world as you're set mining but it's something to bear in mind
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04-01-2024 , 10:26 AM
Regarding whether or not to fold pre-flop, we should consider how we're playing our entire range when we're next to act following an EP raise. If we're going to flat call to set mine with 55, we also need to flat call with bigger PP's and good SC's that we might otherwise 3B.

Alternatively, if we're always going to 3B those stronger hands, then we either need to also 3B some smaller pairs, or just fold. If we're always flatting 55 and always 3B'ing TT+, our flatting range is super easy to attack.

Given the choice, I think it's probably better to flat with a wider range that includes some stronger hands, or just fold smaller PP's, rather than 3B with a wider range that includes lower PP's we'd rather set mine. The advantage in flatting next to act with a wider/stronger range is that we can double flat, or even occasionally back raise, and see a flop IP with some stronger hands when aggro players try to 3B squeeze from the blinds.



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