Table is pretty tight passive, luckily got 2 omc on my left. New table, 40 min in. V in this hand has been playing tight pre maybe 2 hands no showdown, other than me only player to raise to 10/12 instead of limp. Not much to go on. I've been fairly active once and orbit or so, raising and taking things down pre often collecting bunches of limps with raise sizes the table seems uncomfortable with like 14-17$. Probably tight, aggro image.

couple of folds, V (175$) limps in late MP, I (235$) raise to 12$ with AKo, folds around to V and he 3bets to 32$. I think for 20s or so and call.

Flop(67$): K74

V bets 35$, I ponder for another 20s and call.

Turn (137$): 2 V quickly all in for 107$, I call.

Pre: Should I have 4-bet, or shoved? I elected to just call and reevaluate on flop.

Flop: His 1/2 pot bet either looks like AA wanting action or just a cbet with lower pair. I didn't think he was drawing. Is a raise better?

Turn: I didn't feel too good about his instant all-in. Though all I could think was it's less than PSB, and once I flopped a K I figured I'm not folding with such low SPR?

Thoughts on the 3 streets appreciated.

This is super weird. Seen the UTG l/rr line w/ AA tons but from late MP? Idk I guess it could be poorly played AA but it could also be like 88-TT who was set mining and when everyone folded decided to change his line. Even that is weird though. I mean when you call the 3! You gotta know you could be playing for stacks. Could he do this with AQdd? I don't feel good about a call but not 100% sure I can get away at this point. The differentiating factor is prob that he's been a nit so far. That makes me think I've gotta be behind or maybe chopping against a very oddly played AK. Idk man, his line is so weird here I maybe call to see what he's doing this with. Odds are AA but who limp/rr AA from late MP?

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snapfold pre , i HAVE seen villians get cute when lrr from MP with less than KK.AA but theres better spots

AP the turn jam has AK at the bottom of its range and we are calling to chop at best

we need evidence of spewyness to be able to throw QQ.KQ in there

It's always aces

Absent any other information, just fold AK to a limp/raise. If villain starts doing it enough that you can put him on a range wider then AK/QQ+ then you can think about what to do. Even that is a wide range, many low stakes villains always have KK+ when they limp/raise. Once you get to the flop your committed against a villain with a SPR less then 3. If you though his range was wide enough that hitting TP with AK might be good then you can't fold now.

If villain turns up with something odd (set of 7/4/2s) or bizarre (any two pair or other garbage) then you need to think about opening up your preflop action. Need a better read on villain's aggression and bluff rate to decide though.

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Can't disagree.

Had UTG limp-reraise my raise from the BB (AKo) in my last session. He kindly showed me the KK when I folded. If you fold AK to every l/rr from even slightly tight players, you'll save a ton of money.

Grunch

Fold PF. A limp-reraise from a passive player screams AA and maybe KK.

What hands in his range do you beat on the turn? This still looks like AA or KK. You don't even have outs against those hands. Looks like villain just wants to take down the pot because he fears the flush draw.

Edit: Just read the responses. When I put KK in his range that's actually really optimistic. AA is much more likely.

Even from late MP this limp-reraise doesn't surprise me. Many villains are scared that they will raise and everyone will just fold. It's been folded to him so it doesn't look like his aces will get much action. As a result, he limps. Limping is less scary to passive villains in this spot. They know that if they limp, they avoid the scary result of watching everyone fold PF when they have aces.

Grunch:

Assuming vil doesnt re raise pre: raising to $12 preflop and getting one caller leads to a less than awesome SPR (~8:1). Consider raising more or less to make it easier to play post flop.

Limp re raise is always scary especially with what you write as "tight pre" and is usually AA (seldom AK or KK). But since you have AK that really limits the considerations.

Have any reads to add? Seen any other limp / re raise? Use any internet lingo or see any fishy fancy plan syndrome?

arguments for calling pre flop: you have position with a decent hand that blocks hands that have you crushed (AA and KK).

Arguments for 4: betting: you block AA / KK and are not extremely deep and a 4 bet looks really strong and will get most hands to fold. Problem is the 4 bet is all in and a Vil that takes this line is 95% AA.

Readless I think I fold preflop. Its live low stakes against a tight player to who just limp re raised you preflop. If your not willing to stack off when you hit an A or K then folding is the correct option.

Against other more aggressive / tricky players calling is the right play and gives a favorable SPR ratio while in position.

I'm in the fold to 3-bet camp here. For the simple facts you have basically no real reads on a tightish player that limp 3 bet at 1/2. Early, middle or late position I don't think really matters all that much here. Standard 3-bet range QQ+, Ak(rarely) and sometimes JJ (I've heard sometimes lol)

Looks like the consensus is to just fold pre. The reason I called pre is I've seen this move decent times from JJ,QQ, even TT in my room. I think it's the 'change mind' thing deepstack brought up. I felt lost in the hand though, and I think the reason he played the way he did was he put me on a single hand (QQ) due to my tanking pre/flop and tried to make me fold it.

Player showed JJ and river was another K.

I say V has Aces.