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08-04-2010 , 10:50 AM
8 handed at local poker club, villain is muscle-bound black dude - 35-45ish - very active with preflop raises, but haven't seen him get too out of line post flop. 80% of players at this place will call way too much to chase flushes (not sure if he falls into this category). My image is tight.


I have about $300, villain has me covered (2 other callers have $200-$300)


Me: AKo utg open to 10, 2 callers, villain raises to 40 from SB ----

your move?

flop etc to follow after feedback.
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08-04-2010 , 11:05 AM
I would call. But then again I am an AK donk anyway

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08-04-2010 , 11:37 AM
By being very active with preflop raises, does this mean villain also 3bets a lot? If so, we're doing very well against his range (only two unlikely hands are crushing us) and we probably have decent fold equity plus there's dead money in the pot plus we's got position. Re-raise to $150 and call an all-in?

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08-04-2010 , 12:08 PM
we have position on him so calling is an option but I'd like to re-raise to $80 that way we're more likely to go HU with him (I prefer playing AKos HU)
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08-04-2010 , 12:30 PM
Is it a British muscle bound black dude or an African American? (the former tend to be quite conservative in my view)

I hate this spot From my experience, squeezing light oop is not that common in live games (villain's range may be as tight as JJ+/AK). We're going to find it hard to win a large pot with AK.

Meh, I just fold until we get a better read on villain. With these stack sizes, I would rather have the Q9s in position with me as the pre-flop agressor than take the AKo into battle here.

Calling or repopping it are not horrible either. Its just an annoying spot.
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08-04-2010 , 12:32 PM
i like a flat here. if his raise was from the button i would 4bet/get it in. SB raise kinda scares me.
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08-04-2010 , 12:48 PM
flat, and with an spr of around 4, commit if you hit tptk
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08-05-2010 , 12:30 AM
OK -- advice to raise, call, and fold from you guys (and all three options went through my head at the time)

preflop: I open with AKo utg open to 10, 2 callers, villain raises to 40 from SB ----

I call, other 2 guys call - we go to flop with $162 in the pot

Flop K 8 3

Villain leads for $100 --


your move?
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08-05-2010 , 01:32 AM
Don't really like the flop much with 2 callers behind, that why I prefer the re-raise preflop.

But as played I think I'd either fold/shove since calling would have us commit another $100 leaving us $160 behind in a $400+ pot. Main reason I'd consider folding is because of your read "hasn't got too out of line post flop" which would mean that he has to consider that with 3 callers its very likely someone has a K but yet he still raised on top.

For now I'm leaning towards folding it since you have 2 players behind who have yet to act and sound like they may be happy to chase their flush draws even if you raise all in or they could even have been set-mining and hit.

btw do you have A? might change things if you do.
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08-05-2010 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wes c. addle
preflop: I open with AKo utg open to 10, 2 callers, villain raises to 40 from SB ----

I call, other 2 guys call - we go to flop with $162 in the pot

Flop K 8 3

Villain leads for $100 --


your move?
Once we get here with 3 other players in the pot and just about the best flop we could reasonably expect, the only thing we can sensibly do is shove.

If we flat call, there will be at least $362 in the pot and we will have only $160 left meaning that we may not have fold equity vs anyone with a flush draw. Hopefully villain was just joking around and someone has KQ/KJ or KT.
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08-05-2010 , 08:05 AM
Give an unknown player credit the first time he 3-bets... fold PF

OTF, you probably have to call with the intention of shipping it OTT.

Or, you can probably just ship it OTF.

(You didn't mention if you have A.)
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08-05-2010 , 08:25 AM
def. flat PF. on flop depending on reads of other Vils i flat or raise AI.

If they are stations I raise, if they are nits i flat.
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08-05-2010 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Nogyong
Once we get here with 3 other players in the pot and just about the best flop we could reasonably expect, the only thing we can sensibly do is shove.

If we flat call, there will be at least $362 in the pot and we will have only $160 left meaning that we may not have fold equity vs anyone with a flush draw. Hopefully villain was just joking around and someone has KQ/KJ or KT.
+1
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08-05-2010 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wes c. addle
OK -- advice to raise, call, and fold from you guys (and all three options went through my head at the time)

preflop: I open with AKo utg open to 10, 2 callers, villain raises to 40 from SB ----

I call, other 2 guys call - we go to flop with $162 in the pot

Flop K 8 3

Villain leads for $100 --


your move?
I raise to $100 PF. As played, I shove.
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08-05-2010 , 02:28 PM
I shoved, 2 callers folded, villain calls with 88

I did not consider flat calling flop based on pot / stack sizes.

Trying not to be results-oriented:

1 - I think I could have folded flop based on my previous read that villain hasn't been out of line postflop. Especially given that he had three callers to get through. A split pot was probably my best hope....

2 - Given the callers, stacks, reads, etc - I think preflop raise to $125-$150 would be best (I kinda feel like only raising to $100 would leave me with an unneccesarily tough decision if he 5 bet shoves?), followed by folding, with calling the worst option (though obviously not terrible).


Thank you for responses. AK is obviously a tricky hand to play when stacks are moderate-to-big, whether in or out of position....
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08-05-2010 , 03:10 PM
well you made the right play, just a cooler. nh. and no you can never fold the flop here...

now you know in the future this guy will 3 bet a hand like 88, which makes a 4 bet preflop the better play in this case. what a horrible 3 bet he made with 88, thats pretty bad.
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