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1/2  nl AA gets all in, is this bad? 1/2  nl AA gets all in, is this bad?

05-19-2010 , 10:49 PM
Playing in a pretty loose/passive 1/2 game when this other guy switches to our table. he was pretty active in his first few hands, raising 3 or 4 of his first 6 hands or so. he only showed one hand down, and it was AK, but I felt he was taking advantage of the passiveness of the tables since he certainly seemed like he comes to the game a lot. I was sitting with 206, and most people had between 100 and 300. I raised UTG to 10 with black aces, and everyone folds except the new player, who calls on the button, he has me covered.
FLOP: Jd8dJs
I bet 20 into a 23 dollar pot and he calls.
Turn is 4c
I bet 40 into 63 and he shoves, so it is 136 to me getting almost exactly 2-1 (pot would be 279)
I called pretty fast, and he turned over JTo and took the pot when a 3 came on the river.
Against most of the players there I would fold since whenever anyone showed aggression it pretty much meant the nuts, but I called for a few reasons. First, this guy seemed to be playing pretty loose, and he seemed to be bullying the table quite a bit and using excessive aggression to take people off hands, including myself on a previous hand. But when I thought about it, theres not much he is shoving that I beat. Basically QQ, KK, and bluffs is all i beat. But I felt like he was bluffing a good percentage of the time. (on a previous hand, he bluffed 3 streets with a straight draw, including betting almost full pot on river with 9 high busted draw). Any thoughts on the hand about anything would be appreciated, and questions are also welcomed since although I tried to include everything, im sure I missed something. Thanks.
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05-19-2010 , 11:38 PM
In the hand he was the aggressor when he was bluffing. When a very active player calls a flop like that against someone who raised from UTG, alarms should be going off for anyone paying attention. I would discount KK and QQ as unlikely, as I would expect him to usually 3 bet with those hands on the button.
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05-20-2010 , 12:23 AM
I feel like the call on the flop is a red flag and you are also over estimating how often he is bluffing in this spot. You said this guy was using excessive aggression to take people off hands. If this type of opponent is going to be bluffing, he is going to be raising on the flop. A call on the flop should warn you that he either has a made hand or is drawing to something. If he is drawing to a flush or a straight why does he decide to push all in on the turn?
Instead of calling pretty fast, next time stop and think about a few things. How often had you seen him bluff or thought he bluffed after someone showed strength? You only mentioned one instance where you said he bet out on 3 streets, but had you previously seen him raise or go all-in on a bluff after someone at the table had showed strength?

Also one thing I forgot, Jx hands like J7-JQ are definitely in the pre-flop range of someone playing like this, especially on the button. He can catch cards too and is looking for this exact flop to stack you. I think a jack also fits the betting pattern of not raising the flop because he knows you view him as aggressive and you wouldn't be betting a straight or flush draw OOP when he could easily re-raise you. Since he's not scared of the draw he lets you hang yourself on the turn and then puts you all in when his hand is more disguised and you are more likely to call since you have more invested. Again, due to the way he was playing, if he was bluffing I think it is more likely he would have raised you on the flop.
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05-20-2010 , 12:28 AM
I didn't complete my first post (posting from my Blackberry).
Based on your description of the villain, I would consider him highly aggressive, but not necessarily reckless. If he came over the top of your c-bet on the flop, I would consider his range to be anything from 88+ to a flush draw. Considering we crush a large portion of his range, it would be tough to fold AA there.
Once he calls the flop, we need to start thinking about how this differs from his previous play. When we fire another bet on the turn after a brick comes off, a bluff on his part simply doesn't make sense. Nothing about that card should change our mind about the hand, the pot has climbed to where we are getting 2-1 on the call, so he has to think most large hands we are representing will call.
It would be a tough fold, and I may be a nit here, but I would be inclined to fold here.
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05-20-2010 , 01:44 AM
Please don't post results.

When you say he "bluffed" on previous hands I think it's important to know in what way. Someone who barrels, to me, is very different from someone who C/R. This looks way more like a value line than a bluff line.
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05-20-2010 , 04:59 AM
i dont think you played bad, but i just guess u were somehow a victim of recency - a very powerful tool when abused in live games.
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