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01-24-2011 , 10:40 PM

Shoulders

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Villain: 40 year old ish. Splashing around a bit, not tight, but decent player. There is a slight dynamic between us, he donk bet riv once and i folded in a big pot...another a few hands later where where he paid off my overbet with 56 on a 256J3 when i rivered him. This hand was a few minutes after.

MP: Hero (covers)
UTG: Shortstack ($56)
Button: Villain ($230)

Shortstack limps.
Hero raises to $12 with A

.
Villain calls.

Flop: 4

($36)

Shortstack: open shoves 44$.
Hero: calls.
Villain: raises all-in for 174$ more.
Hero?

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01-24-2011 , 11:03 PM

scar3face

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Shove it in like your hands are on fire.

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01-24-2011 , 11:15 PM

BIGFISH72

adept

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130 to win 298, easy call with AA.

Why would villain shove over the top of you with a set or a straight on this board.

I would think SS had maybe an OP to the board.

If SS has a set or two pair or a straight its a horrible call by him preflop.

I'm not sure what villain would be trying to isolate SS with though and shutting you out of the pot???

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01-24-2011 , 11:42 PM

KneedUrDough

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...anytime an opponent makes an aggressive action (at these stakes) we should look for reasons to fold

re: The 'Fuzz Rule'

that said... you can't fold... want to fold but just can't (you beat too much)

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01-24-2011 , 11:47 PM

Shoulders

grinder

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yea i called, thinking why would he want to drive me out of the pot with a made hand by making such a huge raise.

villain showed the 53s

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01-24-2011 , 11:52 PM

BIGFISH72

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weird line by villain, which I have seen a couple of times recently with bottom two and bottom straight over jams. Unlucky.

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01-24-2011 , 11:53 PM

KneedUrDough

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Originally Posted by Shoulders

why would he want to drive me out of the pot with a made hand by making such a huge raise?

he wasn't trying to drive u out of the pot (obviously) he just figured u were committed and his shove would look 'bluffy' (if he thinks at all.)

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Originally Posted by BIGFISH72

weird line by villain

Nothing wrong with his line (except for his call PF.)

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01-25-2011 , 12:33 AM

bubonicplay

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if you fold this in these spots then you make way more money in the longrun... Villan is showing extreme strength, this is a super easy fold even though its hard to let go.

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01-25-2011 , 12:48 AM

BIGFISH72

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

Nothing wrong with his line (except for his call PF.)

Nothing wrong with his line if he can put villain on what he has, AA, otherwise, I don't see this is standard and maximising value. I think it often would fold out many overpairs to the board.

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01-25-2011 , 12:51 AM

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KneedUrDough

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Hero called a $44 shove into a $36 dollar pot...

...Try shoving with the nuts (at these stakes) more often; u'd be surprised how often u get called

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01-25-2011 , 12:55 AM

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BIGFISH72

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

Hero called a $44 shove into a $36 dollar pot...

...Try shoving with the nuts (at these stakes) more often; u'd be surprised how often u get called

ok, you make a reasonable point. I never play 1/2 but I'm coming around to your reasoning and maybe at 2/5 it may well work too. :-)

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01-25-2011 , 07:09 AM

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OoberSick

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if you think its possibly/likely that he would expect you to flat the other dudes all in with AK high, then this is a good call.

if you don't think he would expect you to call the all in with A high, then you should expect that he knows you have an overpair and is most likely shipping it in because he thinks you'll pay him off.

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01-25-2011 , 07:23 AM

#13

canoodles

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don't think a fold is horrible vs his range

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01-25-2011 , 07:32 AM

#14

Urielx

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Originally Posted by BIGFISH72

Nothing wrong with his line if he can put villain on what he has, AA, otherwise, I don't see this is standard and maximising value. I think it often would fold out many overpairs to the board.

Except it's nearly impossible to narrow anyone's hand down that specifically. It's much better to assign a range, rather then specific hands!

Looking at villains hand from previous pots and loose tendencies ,that flop smacks his range pretty hard.

As played I'd definitely call the shorty's shove, but then fold to villains all in. OP knows villain better then me, but from the stuff he's described he sounds quite fishy. So the logic of " well why would he overbet shove" doesn't apply, because fish don't think like that.

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01-25-2011 , 08:29 AM

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BIGFISH72

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Originally Posted by Urielx

Except it's nearly impossible to narrow anyone's hand down that specifically. It's much better to assign a range, rather then specific hands!

Dude, that was the exact point I was making!

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01-25-2011 , 10:25 AM

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notats

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this is 1/2. it's very possible that villain did not know his huge overbet looked like a bluff. he probably just thought "nuts ship it!".

Still, AA on a pretty dry board....you never think villain has 35 here. i'd be more worried about a set here honestly

I can't see how you can play this any differently. villain showed up with 35, oh well.

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01-25-2011 , 10:39 AM

#17

ThinValueFold

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Originally Posted by bubonicplay

if you fold this in these spots then you make way more money in the longrun... Villan is showing extreme strength, this is a super easy fold even though its hard to let go.

Its real close for me. His he capable of bluffing here or raise with 99+ thinking its good. If I think he can do this with a hand like JJ or TT and some funky draws and top pair hands I snap call, if hes more passive and then wakes up with this type of action preflop and flop, then I can mae the fold very easy.

I think I fold this time.

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01-25-2011 , 06:11 PM

#18

flash75gordon

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i would fold

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